PC's are so crappy systems!

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by 5300cs
Slightly off topic: one thing I liked that started with Win2k was that when a network cable came unplugged, it popped-up a little info bubble letting you know. Would still like to see that on the Mac.

i like how the connection icon gets an x over it, but the popup notification is just plain annoying. i use airport on my mac, and keep that up in the menubar, so i pretty well no when it keels over. it is too bad they don't have a status indicator for wired connections (i thought they did but don't seem to see it)

 

[Sabenth]

that little bubble that the last post talks about is a great idea problem is mine wouldnt stop poping up its only though x that i found out what the real problem was.. Networking windows xp is a bit of a pain in the fact that the vast cases the windows machine dosnt see the Mac at all were as the mac machine bless it can see everying and anything yo though at it wish my xp machine would do the same sadly the pc hardrive just packed in and well iam not sure i want to put a new one in .... oh well M$ LOSS NOT MINE...


might by a hard drive in and use linux...

Had my MAC FOR 5 DAYS NOW YAYYYYYYYY AND ITS WAYYYYY BETTER THAN ANY M$ thing i love the apple script stuff just learning right now... ahhh fantastic machines ....

 

[cubist]

Originally posted by Independence
... pop open a mac and pop open a pc. they look the same on the inside. if you find some alien technology inside a mac, you come and tell me. ...

On the first paragraph, I disagree with you strongly. Open a PC, and you see a big tangle of ribbon cables - even from factory-produced machines like Dell's. Open an Mac (or a Sun), and you see what is known in the industry as cable management. It's a mark of quality in design. I have seen very few PCs with any attention given to cable management at all.

 

[Independence]

Originally posted by cubist
On the first paragraph, I disagree with you strongly. Open a PC, and you see a big tangle of ribbon cables - even from factory-produced machines like Dell's. Open an Mac (or a Sun), and you see what is known in the industry as cable management. It's a mark of quality in design. I have seen very few PCs with any attention given to cable management at all.

i wasn't referring to hardware arrangement.

 

[benixau]

Re: Re: edesignuk & ibookin'

Originally posted by edesignuk

If not, then simply go to Control Panel > Network Connections, right click on your network adapter, and select Properties, select Internet Protocol (TCP/IP), and hit Properties, and there you can change your IP settings to what ever you wish. Doesn't exactly take a rocket scientist

Where is control panel?
What does it look like?
Right click? I got a five button mouse, which one is right?
Which network adapter am i using?

on mac:
Click on light switch in dock at bottom of screen.
Go to network
Enter Information (make sure if manual you include DNS -> windows needs this too)
Click apply
Open IE or Safari.


hmmm what seems simpler.

 

[edesignuk]

Re: Re: Re: edesignuk & ibookin'

Originally posted by benixau
Where is control panel?
What does it look like?
Right click? I got a five button mouse, which one is right?
Which network adapter am i using?

on mac:
Click on light switch in dock at bottom of screen.
Go to network
Enter Information (make sure if manual you include DNS -> windows needs this too)
Click apply
Open IE or Safari.


hmmm what seems simpler.

If you have used Windows then you know where the Control Panel is, you use it to control every aspect of your system, the likely-hood is you will only have one network adapter, if you don't know which is your right mouse button then you are just plain dumb Sheesh!

It is not a hard thing to do!

 

[shadowfax]

Re: Re: Re: edesignuk & ibookin'

Originally posted by benixau
Where is control panel?
What does it look like?
Right click? I got a five button mouse, which one is right?
Which network adapter am i using?

you don't deserve to breath. you are acting stupid to prove a really really tenuous point, and it's quite frankly bull****. it's not that much harder to make a network run in windows XP. control panel is very similar in design to system preferences, it kind of looks like it, it's available right from the start menu, you can configure everything by left clicking. don't act like you have an IQ of 70

 

[Rower_CPU]

Easy on the personal attacks, guys.

 

[reflex]

Originally posted by Sabenth
Networking windows xp is a bit of a pain in the fact that the vast cases the windows machine dosnt see the Mac at all were as the mac machine bless it can see everying and anything

This has always seemed as more of a mac problem to me than one in Windows. Especially since it doesn't look like you can set a workgroup for smb networking in OSX.

 

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by reflex
Especially since it doesn't look like you can set a workgroup for smb networking in OSX.

U can, it's just well hidden

 

[cubist]

The SMB workgroup name is configurable in Applications/Utilities/Directory Management.

It is much more difficult seeing Macs from Windows machines than the other way around. In fact, it can be a little painful seeing Windows machines from other Windows machines, especially if they are different versions of Windows. SMB is a moving target because Microsoft keeps changing it, as they keep changing everything else.

As for the cable management question, poor cable management is symptomatic of poor design, poor workmanship. Of course the components are the same. To make an analogy, a Trabant has the same basic components as a Rolls-Royce. That does not mean the Trabant is as well-made.

 

[Das]

Are there people alive who still have problems with running windows? I mean, you would literally have to have some learning disability to not be able to work a mac or a PC. If you do have a massive problem operating them, then find another type of computer that you might be able to use.

 

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Das
If you do have a massive problem operating them, then find another type of computer that you might be able to use.

LMAO!

 

[shadowfax]

Originally posted by Das
Are there people alive who still have problems with running windows? I mean, you would literally have to have some learning disability to not be able to work a mac or a PC. If you do have a massive problem operating them, then find another type of computer that you might be able to use.

i really agree. i laugh at people who go from macs to PCs for the simplicity. that wasn't why i switched. i still know windows backwards and forwards. i just don't like it. that was hilarious, man.

 

[amnesiac1984]

Originally posted by Shadowfax
i really agree. i laugh at people who go from macs to PCs for the simplicity. that wasn't why i switched. i still know windows backwards and forwards. i just don't like it. that was hilarious, man.

Yeah but getting to know windows backwards and forwards is a lot tougher than getting to know macs. And not everyone wants to have to learn windows forwards and backwards. Why laugh at people who decide to go for simplicity? Thats like laughing at the whole reason why people choose macs over PCs and laughing at the whole basic concept that the Mac is built on, simplicity. The only reason why I don't know how to use windows is cos I never use it. And I really don't give a **** about learning either.

 

[G3-Pwnz-G4]

well, osx is just as easy to set up as any windows os. like somebody said, if you have it set up to DHCP it just automatically grabs it and your good to go. i personally have mine set up to manual just because i like the freedom of changing my IP at will

 

[benixau]

Re: Re: Re: Re: edesignuk & ibookin'

Originally posted by Shadowfax
you don't deserve to breath. you are acting stupid to prove a really really tenuous point, and it's quite frankly bull****. it's not that much harder to make a network run in windows XP. control panel is very similar in design to system preferences, it kind of looks like it, it's available right from the start menu, you can configure everything by left clicking. don't act like you have an IQ of 70

you guys have never met mu mom have you? sure i can do this stuff - but i am geek and should be able to.
The thing is that even in XP i had to do it.

Computer illiterate people do not want to have to learn to much just to use cable internet (static IP for us). I told mu mom that all her sttings were in the network adapter under the control panel and she didnt know where she was going. So i told her to go to the control panel and she took the two minutes it took me to finish up, to find it and open it.

Windows need you to learn. Also, the control panel is very very badly organised. The names of the fisher price screen (FPC) controls do not acurately enough reflect what they do.

On the other hand, i had to help mu mom only once for the mac (my lil bros.) -> she did not know which port the network cable should go in.

now really, mu mom is the sort of person who wants a computer for simple things. My DP pMac does the 'real' work. Her eMac is a dream to run (we upped it to 640 via 3rd party RAM).

Our PC has always had problems.

Aside: After using a mac most of the time now days, whenever i go back to windows i get frustrated. not cause i cant do it but because things seem illogical. The mac on the other hand came like second nature when i got it after using windows for four years.

I know which is simpler.

 

[5300cs]

Originally posted by Sabenth
that little bubble that the last post talks about is a great idea problem is mine wouldnt stop poping up its only though x that i found out what the real problem was..

Yeah, I was going to mention that. Click on the X and the windows closes, click on the bubble itself and it opens. In Win2k it was nice, in XP it pops up a bubble for every little thing- not surprised that M$ killed what could've been a good thing

 

[shadowfax]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: edesignuk & ibookin'

Originally posted by benixau
you guys have never met mu mom have you? sure i can do this stuff - but i am geek and should be able to.
The thing is that even in XP i had to do it.

Computer illiterate people do not want to have to learn to much just to use cable internet (static IP for us). I told mu mom that all her sttings were in the network adapter under the control panel and she didnt know where she was going. So i told her to go to the control panel and she took the two minutes it took me to finish up, to find it and open it.

Windows need you to learn. Also, the control panel is very very badly organised. The names of the fisher price screen (FPC) controls do not acurately enough reflect what they do.

On the other hand, i had to help mu mom only once for the mac (my lil bros.) -> she did not know which port the network cable should go in.

now really, mu mom is the sort of person who wants a computer for simple things. My DP pMac does the 'real' work. Her eMac is a dream to run (we upped it to 640 via 3rd party RAM).

Our PC has always had problems.

Aside: After using a mac most of the time now days, whenever i go back to windows i get frustrated. not cause i cant do it but because things seem illogical. The mac on the other hand came like second nature when i got it after using windows for four years.

I know which is simpler.

who's mu mom? is that some kind of tech joke? at any rate, DSL/Cable is really easy to set up. most situations i find where there are problems would also be so on a mac. people do have headaches with them too. the control panel is certainly not as well organized, but for god's sake, RTFM. there are help ddocuments that spell things out just fine. it really does work. in most networking cases, an XP PC will "just work" too. there may be more cases where it won't than on the mac, but it's not that much worse. not enough to bitch about.