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Wildkraut

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Mehh Readdle PDF Expert 7 just got subscription based.
I just deleted all Readdle Apps, because I do not support shady and greedy customer milking methods.

Any other good non subscription based alternatives?
 
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Ouch, looks like PDF Expert 7 is only available in Canada and Europe- maybe testing the waters. But 70/year is insane for a PDF app.

Looks like they are going the subscription model. Id bet Spark is next too. Very sad, time to ditch Readdle apps totally.

A good alternative may be PDFElement if you nee advanced editing features like editing the text of PDFs. There are more basic read/annotate out there though
 
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Which version iOS or Mac app? I still see one-time upgrade with $9.99. I am thinking whether I should upgrade before it goes subscription.
Can you please tell the update description - is it grandfathering previous upgrades or forcing everyone into subscription? If it's honoring previous purchases, I might still upgrade while it's still a one-time purchase.

Mehh Readdle PDF Expert 7 just got subscription based.
I just deleted all Readdle Apps, because I do not support shady and greedy customer milking methods.

Any other good non subscription based alternatives?
 

StralyanPithecus

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I own PDF Expert in both MacOS and iOS, if they switch to subscription mode, they will lose me for sure. I hope they don't do that mistake. There are apps that can have a advantage in subscription mode for both the user and the developer, this is not one of them and I will not pay for it.
 

Wildkraut

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If you have upgraded to the pro-version before then do they let you keep the pro-version or force everyone into the subscription?
Seems like they will let you keep the old PDF Expert 6, but this PDF Expert 7 subscription announcement is a reason for me to move on with all their Apps. It does not have a future on my devices. I have an aversion against subscriptions.
 
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Wildkraut

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Which version iOS or Mac app? I still see one-time upgrade with $9.99. I am thinking whether I should upgrade before it goes subscription.
Can you please tell the update description - is it grandfathering previous upgrades or forcing everyone into subscription? If it's honoring previous purchases, I might still upgrade while it's still a one-time purchase.

Here:
https://apps.apple.com/en/app/pdf-expert-7/id1447383972?l=en

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I cant figure out the greed recently. Do developers REALLY expect people to pay 70/year for a PDF editing app? What resources of theirs are being used to warrant a subscription fee? Some apps can warrant a subscription if you are getting storage or some server service from it. But this is an on-device PDF app, none of their resources being used.

Ridiculous. Another greedy developer who is going to lose their butts.


My guess is they will abandon version 6 for 7 and are testing the waters in other countries first. While you can not update that mean no updates or bug fixes ever.
 

Frankied22

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What alternatives are there to PDF Expert? If it goes subscription I am out for sure.
 

harriska2

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Hmmm, I have it for both mac and ios. If they force subscription on me I will go back to goodreader or some other app.
 

BigMcGuire

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My wife uses this all the time for her PhD studies. $70/year is a lot but she relies on it a lot as well. I use it to sign work documents and view PDFs. I really like Readdle applications - I use them all the time (Calendar, PDF Converter, Documents, etc...). :/
 

richpjr

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Mehh Readdle PDF Expert 7 just got subscription based.
I just deleted all Readdle Apps, because I do not support shady and greedy customer milking methods.

Any other good non subscription based alternatives?

Why would you delete the non-subscription version of the apps? You liked them enough to buy and use them in the past. Readdle already has your money and the apps will continue to work without you paying for a subscription.
 

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Why would you delete the non-subscription version of the apps? You liked them enough to buy and use them in the past. Readdle already has your money and the apps will continue to work without you paying for a subscription.

Principle? This subscription milking is getting really old. Look, I get if they charged for Spark because its email and goes through their servers. If they charged $50/year, ok, not my cup of tea to pay for an email app (look at Newton, people paid by the year and no app updates in 5+ months, inexcusable) but I get using their servers that cost money.

What does a PDF "cost?" What resources of theirs are being used? If they can't make money n the old way of about $20 up front then their business model is the problem.

Is iOS PDF software REALLY worth say $200 over 4 years (total cost of ownership)? They somehow were content with $20 up front for many many years and didnt go under offering at that price. If they wanted to charge another $20 for version 7, ok. You can stay on 6 and not upgrade or pay for 7 upgrade; that's fair. App updates to new versions shouldn't be totally free on a paid app, that much I agree.

The $ was already on the high end for an iOS app to begin with (considering the Mac version is $80 too)

I've also stopped using Readdle apps lately, back to stock iOS and if I need something to seriously edit PDF use PDFelement which has similar features to PDFexpert. Same principle why I will never touch Airmail again (despite beta testing for them since the begining too) who threw their customers under the bus who already paid for the app up front to switch to subscription; they wont get another dime from my wallet. Speaking with my wallet as everyone likes to say.

The whole subscription model nickel and dime for everything is getting tiresome and $50/year for PDFs is far far too much money.
 
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richpjr

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Principle? This subscription milking is getting really old. Look, I get if they charged for Spark because its email and goes through their servers. If they charged $50/year, ok, not my cup of tea to pay for an email app (look at Newton, people paid by the year and no app updates in 5+ months, inexcusable) but I get using their servers that cost money.

What does a PDF "cost?" What resources of theirs are being used? If they can't make money n the old way of about $20 up front then their business model is the problem.

Is iOS PDF software REALLY worth say $200 over 4 years (total cost of ownership)? They somehow were content with $20 up front for many many years and didnt go under offering at that price. If they wanted to charge another $20 for version 7, ok. You can stay on 6 and not upgrade or pay for 7 upgrade; that's fair. App updates to new versions shouldn't be totally free on a paid app, that much I agree.

The $ was already on the high end for an iOS app to begin with (considering the Mac version is $80 too)

I've also stopped using Readdle apps lately, back to stock iOS and if I need something to seriously edit PDF use PDFelement which has similar features to PDFexpert. Same principle why I will never touch Airmail again (despite beta testing for them since the begining too) who threw their customers under the bus who already paid for the app up front to switch to subscription; they wont get another dime from my wallet. Speaking with my wallet as everyone likes to say.

The whole subscription model nickel and dime for everything is getting tiresome and $50/year for PDFs is far far too much money.

I've heard and understand all of the arguments for and against subscription based software. For some people it makes perfect sense to always be update to date and have the latest version with new features and bug fixes. For others it makes no sense. I personally think that $50 a year is insane for something like this and would never sign up for it. But I struggle with the knee jerk reaction of deleting all of your Readdle applications because their new pro version includes a subscription, while the non-pro version does not. What principle are you validating by deleting apps you already paid for? Is it somehow going to "show" Readdle anything? They won't even know you deleted it. Now if enough people do not sign up for their subscription service in the new pro version, that will eventually resonate with them. But this massive overreaction to subscriptions is so bizarre to me.
 

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I've heard and understand all of the arguments for and against subscription based software. For some people it makes perfect sense to always be update to date and have the latest version with new features and bug fixes. For others it makes no sense. I personally think that $50 a year is insane for something like this and would never sign up for it. But I struggle with the knee jerk reaction of deleting all of your Readdle applications because their new pro version includes a subscription, while the non-pro version does not. What principle are you validating by deleting apps you already paid for? Is it somehow going to "show" Readdle anything? They won't even know you deleted it. Now if enough people do not sign up for their subscription service in the new pro version, that will eventually resonate with them. But this massive overreaction to subscriptions is so bizarre to me.

Again on principle to not support a company that makes ridiculous prices. How much longer until Spark goes paid (not just teams) or Documents or Scanner Pro all to subscription software at $50/year each from greedy developers? Is someone really going to pay $200/year to use Readdle suite of apps?

I choose to switch now and avoid that surprise; ala Airmail suddenly one day losing ability to use
 

richpjr

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Again on principle to not support a company that makes ridiculous prices. How much longer until Spark goes paid (not just teams) or Documents or Scanner Pro all to subscription software at $50/year each from greedy developers? Is someone really going to pay $200/year to use Readdle suite of apps?

I choose to switch now and avoid that surprise; ala Airmail suddenly one day losing ability to use

I certainly wouldn't pay $200 to sign up for a subscription. I've already said I wouldn't even pay $50. But that has nothing to do with the versions you liked enough to purchase. Your existing copy of Scanner Pro isn't going to suddenly stop working because a new version comes out. If at some point you need something new, of course it would make sense to look at what products are out there and what they cost. Just not sure how principle factors into jumping ship for something that doesn't affect your current products in the least.
 
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