Pencil charging...extremely poor design

Discussion in 'iPad' started by nStyle, Sep 11, 2015.

  1. nStyle macrumors 6502a

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    You just plug it in to the side of the iPad and then you have a long fragile stick just tethered to the side. Nothing can go wrong...

    Seriously, this is the worse design from Apple I've ever seen.
     
  2. chriscrowlee macrumors 65816

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    I thought the same thing. Going to be a lot of broken-off lightning chunks stuck in the port.
     
  3. nStyle thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    I still agree with Jobs...the stylus is unnecessary and just gets in the way. The fact that it's $99 makes it even more unnecessary.
     
  4. chriscrowlee macrumors 65816

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    I couldn't agree with you more. My handwriting is bad. My handwriting on a tablet is pointless.
     
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    If it takes hours for the pencil to charge, then I would agree. But charging it for a few minutes will last for a few hours... not a problem.
     
  7. tobefirst macrumors 68040

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    Agreed. If it takes just 15 seconds to charge it for 30 minutes, the design isn't a problem for me. Plus, I think that having it charged by the device it is to be used with is ideal.
     
  8. Surrylic macrumors regular

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    You're missing the entire point of all of this...

    1) Plugging it into the iPad is for short 15 second charge sessions, which provides an extra 30 minutes of battery. Not leaving it in for hours.
    2) This is for artists, primarily. You can NOT create art on an iPad with your finger even remotely close to the level at which you can create art with a stylus.
    3) It's price is on par with other styluses that are at a similar level. Buy any decent stylus with pressure sensitivity for your iPad and it's going to be close to or over $100. PS, any I've tried are pretty awful so if this one actually works then it's worth far more to me than $100.

    Everyone complaining about the Pencil being expensive or poorly designed, or sticking with Jobs and saying a stylus is pointless, are the people that don't use them for the purpose that Apple designed this for.
     
  9. maflynn Moderator

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    On paper I think its a good idea. In actual usage I agree having it stick out like that is recipe for disaster.
     
  10. E3BK macrumors 68020

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    Stop it. Being rational isn't allowed here. ;)
     
  11. whtrbt7 macrumors 6502a

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    I hope there is an adaptor that is fairly mobile. The actual charging from the Lightning port idea is seriously flawed. Why couldn't they just turn the screen or that 3 port smart connector into an inductive charger? A magnetic inductive charger on the bezel would have really improved the design.
     
  12. thedon1 macrumors 6502

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    Unnecessary as a pointing device. What about if you wanted to draw?
     
  13. nStyle thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    If I wanted to draw I'd use my Wacom + MBP.

    But this could be a good option too - though I'm not sure if you can rest your hand on the screen comfortably and draw too? Even if you could, it would get smudged up fast. Would require a glove I would think.
     
  14. dugbug macrumors 65816

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    You need to watch the videos. Palms have no effect. You can even use your fingers with the stylus such as holding a ruler tool
     
  15. Mr Retina macrumors regular

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    I think you missed the major point of plugging it in for seconds gives you hours of usuage. Seems smart, and you don't have to run around looking for a pen charger when it dies on you..
     
  16. Rogifan macrumors P6

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    Ars Technica says the Pencil comes with a dongle. Anyway I doubt Apple meant sticking it in the iPad lightning port for extended periods of time. It's for when you need a short burst of power. And if you can get 30 minutes of battery on a 15 second charge that's pretty incredible.
     
  17. Capt T macrumors 6502a

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    Which is great as I did agree as well, a stylus Is unnecessary for a phone, and gets in the way. It was a pain on the palm phones. But this is not a stylus for a phone we are talking about. It is for a 12.9" tablet. And it makes total sense for the people who need it.
     
  18. VesselA macrumors regular

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    its actually very clever to incorporate the end of the stylus with lightning to charge, removes the need for cables - you would just need to be careful
     
  19. iceman42 macrumors regular

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    if you don't want the pencil you don't have to buy it.its not like apple is making you but it.
     
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    im not a kid and writing/drawing by my fingertips... i use my tablets (air2 and Note) alot for sketching and writing. Unfortunately handwriting with ipads has been always abit complicated, so i do all my writings with my Note. It works perfectly.

    Stylus is a fresh wind and a welcomed tool for sure. If you dont need it, you dont have to buy it. I dont need to use SPen with my Note if i dont need it, but it is there when i need it. ipadPro is still a functional unit without a pen. But another new ipad without an optimized pen would have been another nail for ipads coffin. No one needs "the same third Air" at the moment.

    the pen protruding from the ipads *ss is still not only a hilarious (look mommy i have a huge lollipop) but also ridiculous decision. Not going to try it ever, it needs only one mistake and the port (or the pen) is broken. No one ever broke the audio port from a laptop? i quess many have done it accidentally when the connector is sticking out to the side... Cmon apple, were you guys playing with lollipops (android) while making that decision and not paid any attention to the functionality?
     
  22. Gav2k macrumors G3

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    Yep a lot of reports state there is a supplied charger (whatever that may be)
     
  23. maflynn Moderator

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    I had similar thoughts with the Surface Pro 3's stylus but you cannot imagine how useful it really is, for pointing and actual usage, but also for other tasks.

    Don't knock it till you try it ;)

    As for the 99 dollars, I agree its ludicrous for Apple to charge for that, I was critical regarding Microsoft's decision to charge for the type cover because in the SP3's case you really do need a type cover to make it functional. Here Apple is not only charging for its type cover clone but also for the stylus.
     
  24. Truefan31 macrumors 68040

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    I don't get why jobs keeps getting brought up he said that 8 years ago for an iPhone. This is a 12 inch tablet
     
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    This stylus makes the amazing Procreate actually usable for illustrators and turns the iPad from an entertaining consumption device into a creative tool. It is the ONLY reason I am getting one.

    It is not for everyone and it probably won't be of much use to you - which is fine, there are plenty of other iOS devices you can choose from (or simply not buy the Pencil with the Pro). But for me, it makes the whole world of difference. I love the logic that some people here use - "I don't need it, ergo - it's unnecessary."

    As for charging - it takes, like, 10 minutes to charge it and then use it entire day. I really don't think it will be an issue, and I'm glad I'll be able to quickly charge it when I'm on the road.


    Exactly. When he said it, styluses were being used on small, plastic, resistive screens that couldn't even function properly without them. I'm sure Jobs wouldn't mind an actual pencil used for art and notes on a 12.9" tablet. Not even he would expect people to draw with their fingers.

    Not at all. Just to let you know, Wacom pens cost around a $100 too. I consider it a fair price. Microsoft ships an N-trig stylus that is a very cheap stylus and is no match to a Wacom Grip Pen or Art Pen - and most likely, quite inferior to Apple Pencil too (that, according to the nice people from Savage Interactive - developers of Procreate - has incredible pressure sensitivity and precision, and also has tilt detection).


    Seriously, this is the best design from Apple I've seen in a long time.


    Obviously, this is the wrong crowd for such a device. Just go visit the art forums around the web, illustrators are going wild because of this thing.
     

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