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Buying A computer is a major step.....Its expensive so I'm waiting (for along time or until myibook G4 dies)
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PEOPLE vote with your wallet !! Don't buy an Apple made Computer until 2008
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Buying A computer is a major step.....Its expensive so I'm waiting (for along time or until myibook G4 dies)
I'm going to have to wait.
Not cause I'm angry, or torqued at apple, cause I need to spend wisely.
If, and a big IF, they can convince me that I will have the ability to run the new and old on a G5, I may reconsider.
I was thinking 20" iMac in the fall. Not now.
Not cause I'm angry, or torqued at apple, cause I need to spend wisely.
If, and a big IF, they can convince me that I will have the ability to run the new and old on a G5, I may reconsider.
I was thinking 20" iMac in the fall. Not now.
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It doesn't look good based on the comments posted here ... it looks as though Apple sales will see a slowdown. I think the Keynote was very short. I think it's going to take a while for the world to digest the transition and I think it's going to hit the bottom line.
It doesn't look good based on the comments posted here ... it looks as though Apple sales will see a slowdown. I think the Keynote was very short. I think it's going to take a while for the world to digest the transition and I think it's going to hit the bottom line.
I had sort of been planning to buy iMac G5 this fall. Not planning to anymore unless Apple can explain how my PPC based iMac is going to be able to continue running new software 2 years after I buy it. Maybe Leopard will include Rosetta in both the PPC and x86 versions, so older PPC machines will be able to run newer x86 software, at least until 10.6 comes out and by then, most people who care about new software will have upgraded their machines anyway.
It seems like Apple hasn't done a great job of answering a lot of questions so far. Hopefully in the coming days we'll get a clearer picture of what's going to happen with PPC Macs.
It seems like Apple hasn't done a great job of answering a lot of questions so far. Hopefully in the coming days we'll get a clearer picture of what's going to happen with PPC Macs.
I really can't see what you would lose in buying a new mac this fall? What is the lifespan of an iMac? 3-4years, a PM 4-6 if you are not depending on them for a living. The transition will take 2 years, and im guessing all Apple software will be compiled for the ppc platform for atleast 5 more years after that (think about those who will buy the last week before the end of the transition, yes i bet there will be those!). This means if you buy a Mac this fall you are sett for atleast the lifespan of the hardware. Then at next update you get a x86 Mac.stubeeef said:
Buying a new iMac PM hasnt looked better than now, since it will easily carry you effortless through the transition.
Just my opinion, and im getting a PM this fall!
Some people are apparently worried about viruses coming to OS X now. This stems from confusion about how viruses actually spread.
Viruses are spread on Windows because Windows is insecure. It has nothing to do with the processor. For instance, Windows has a lot of default open ports for no reason. OS X leaves no open ports and doesn't run with root privileges.
OS X is a securely designed OS. Moving to x86 won't affect that or make viruses suddenly flock to Macs. It's the software running on top of the processor that makes it secure or insecure.
Viruses are spread on Windows because Windows is insecure. It has nothing to do with the processor. For instance, Windows has a lot of default open ports for no reason. OS X leaves no open ports and doesn't run with root privileges.
OS X is a securely designed OS. Moving to x86 won't affect that or make viruses suddenly flock to Macs. It's the software running on top of the processor that makes it secure or insecure.
It seems clear that all existing OSX apps will work perfectly well through the Transitive Rosetta emulation. And since the hardware will be faster, any performance hit anticipated will be offset.mersea said:
I'm voting with my wallet
I'm voting with my wallet, but in the opposite manner to what the original poster suggested. I would buy a dual 2.7 as quickly as I could justify it without any fear / uncertainty / doubt about the impending x86 transition. My computers are production machines, and I use them to produce.
If you're not generating income with your dual 2.0 PM G5, sell it. I'm making money with my dual 1.8. If I sold it and waited around for the x86 Mac that might be 12 months away, and used my PowerBook in the meantime, I'd get significantly less work done and my earning potential would be cut dramatically. I have both my processors working full tilt at an average of about 72 hours a week. Trying to get the same work done on a lesser machine would be painful. I'm a Final Cut Studio user so a switch to Windows just isn't happening.drison said:
I'm voting with my wallet, but in the opposite manner to what the original poster suggested. I would buy a dual 2.7 as quickly as I could justify it without any fear / uncertainty / doubt about the impending x86 transition. My computers are production machines, and I use them to produce.
I don't know why some are freaking out? I don't remember the OS9 to OSX transition being that big of a deal.
One day I bought 10.1 and started using it. There were Apps I had in 9 that Classic handled for about a year or so. As new and better versions came out for X I bought those and stopped using 9 Apps. Eventually I didn't have to even run classic. I believe Rosetta will do just this, especially on the consumer level where the typical Apps are easy to emulate.
In the professional fields this is not as easy, but Pros do what they need to do to get the Job done. Some STILL use OS9 because of some specific software or hardware, and they're still making money with it. But eventually the vast majority upgrade both hardware and software.
In the end I don't see this as such a big deal. It's exciting to know we will have some new options. My G5 will probably last well beyond the transition, but I'd love to see what the Mac Daddy system will be like in 2007. Heck, if the Mactel Powerbooks/iBooks are tempting I'll get one of those as my 1Ghz book will be due for replacement by end of next year.
This is going to be fun!
One day I bought 10.1 and started using it. There were Apps I had in 9 that Classic handled for about a year or so. As new and better versions came out for X I bought those and stopped using 9 Apps. Eventually I didn't have to even run classic. I believe Rosetta will do just this, especially on the consumer level where the typical Apps are easy to emulate.
In the professional fields this is not as easy, but Pros do what they need to do to get the Job done. Some STILL use OS9 because of some specific software or hardware, and they're still making money with it. But eventually the vast majority upgrade both hardware and software.
In the end I don't see this as such a big deal. It's exciting to know we will have some new options. My G5 will probably last well beyond the transition, but I'd love to see what the Mac Daddy system will be like in 2007. Heck, if the Mactel Powerbooks/iBooks are tempting I'll get one of those as my 1Ghz book will be due for replacement by end of next year.
This is going to be fun!
I voted with my wallet as well.
Before WWDC, I bought a 12" PB for mobile use when my PMG5 wasn't accessible.
Now, I bought a Developer Transition Kit to see how using Intel works out.
My support is for OS X, not IBM or Intel. I couldn't care less who makes the CPU, as long as it works.
Before WWDC, I bought a 12" PB for mobile use when my PMG5 wasn't accessible.
Now, I bought a Developer Transition Kit to see how using Intel works out.
My support is for OS X, not IBM or Intel. I couldn't care less who makes the CPU, as long as it works.
I bought my iBook G4 last June, and planned on using it until 2007-2008. Hell, guys, if I would spend some money right now, I would still be using my old Performa.
Some of you guys are taking this a little too out of proportion. I don't think that many consumers will be out of the circle in the technology developments thanks to Apple's stated commitment to the PPC during this transition.
Some of you guys are taking this a little too out of proportion. I don't think that many consumers will be out of the circle in the technology developments thanks to Apple's stated commitment to the PPC during this transition.
It's my speculation that a lot of people are overreacting to this news. Calm down, take a breath, and re-read the transcript of the keynote. Apple is not going to hang us out to dry, and I think people who are going to WAIT a year or longer to purchase an Apple are being ridiculous. A lot can happen within that timespan. Put your faith in Apple guys.
jsw said:
Absaloutly agree!! All of you say you use apple for the software now you get a chance to prove it. I will be buying one soon and frankly i beleive they will do it right
Any money in two years all of you will be on these boards with quotes such as these,
my powerbook gets 10 hours battery life, awesome!
damn this quad core powermac is quick
etc etc
Hey All, I've got a question - I'm in the market for my first mac (my laptop died a few weeks ago, so waiting until the first intel-based system comes out is not an option - I need a new lappy now). I was going to get a powerbook - but should I go with the iBook instead, given that I'll likely replace it sooner now? I need the computer primarily for word processing and presentations, though I do have some photo work to do, occasionally.
Couple of things that I haven't seen anyone mention:
#1 We could possibly use Wine or some other emulator to run windows apps in real-time since they would be x86
#2 Possibility of dual-booting Win XP/Longhorn, etc
#3 All of these multi-format x86/PPC binaries are going to majorly inflate the file sizes of programs
#4 I'm not sure how much I trust Rosetta after how much I hate classic
#5 (I know this was already mentioned) There is going to have to be a way to lock the OS to the CPU, or some sort of special CPU that OS X needs to prevent it from running on a Dell box. I would expect OS X security to start getting a lot tighter in the future (serials, activation, etc)
#6 The desktop chips are going to have to be 64 bit to match the G5s in RAM capacity
#7 PPC users are going to get screwed when companies start making x86 only binaries, etc (Microsoft is already talking about improved exchange support for the x86 version of OS)
End of rant
#1 We could possibly use Wine or some other emulator to run windows apps in real-time since they would be x86
#2 Possibility of dual-booting Win XP/Longhorn, etc
#3 All of these multi-format x86/PPC binaries are going to majorly inflate the file sizes of programs
#4 I'm not sure how much I trust Rosetta after how much I hate classic
#5 (I know this was already mentioned) There is going to have to be a way to lock the OS to the CPU, or some sort of special CPU that OS X needs to prevent it from running on a Dell box. I would expect OS X security to start getting a lot tighter in the future (serials, activation, etc)
#6 The desktop chips are going to have to be 64 bit to match the G5s in RAM capacity
#7 PPC users are going to get screwed when companies start making x86 only binaries, etc (Microsoft is already talking about improved exchange support for the x86 version of OS)
End of rant
PEOPLE vote with your wallet !! Don't buy an Apple made Computer until 2008
Most misguided post of the day, my vote.
Most misguided post of the day, my vote.
Why the heck not? The Mac will do exactly what it is designed to do, for the next, oh, 6 - 10 years on average (this written on an OS9 Beige G3).leekohler said:
The diminishing in capability of a G5 based machine only exists between your ears.