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Waiting for iPad Mini (Retina) or gave in to first gen?

  • I was sold. Got first gen.

    Votes: 48 42.9%
  • Not worth the price, yet. I'll stick to my 9.7" iPad. Waiting for Retina mini

    Votes: 64 57.1%

  • Total voters
    112
I was reading a review today of the Samsung Galaxy S4 and the screen was said to be as good as if not better than the iPhone 5 so called 'retina' display.

Can someone please explain why putting a 'retina' LCD display in a 7" iPad mini is so difficult if Samsung can get a full HD 441 ppi OLED display in a 5" phone?

I feel this could get very technical!!
 
I was reading a review today of the Samsung Galaxy S4 and the screen was said to be as good as if not better than the iPhone 5 so called 'retina' display.

Can someone please explain why putting a 'retina' LCD display in a 7" iPad mini is so difficult if Samsung can get a full HD 441 ppi OLED display in a 5" phone?

I feel this could get very technical!!

The S4 is 699 or more. The ipad mini starts at 329.

Can it be done? Sure. But I'm not sure people would pay for it at what it would cost Apple.
 
I honestly don't think retina will come to the ipad mini anytime soon, if at all. So the upgrade this year will likely just focus in better internals.
 
That's a pity. However, I'm more focused on replacing my iPad 2 and the next full-sized iPad replacement should be everything I' m looking for. Not too many months away either.

My 7" Kindle Fire HD will tide me over until Apple eventually come good with a retina mini even though it will possibly be next year.
 
How many of you are eager to use an iPad Mini instead of the 9.7" iPad's but waiting for the next generation?

Definitely. I have an iPad 3 now and my wife has an iPad 2. When an iPad mini retina comes out I will get that and give my wife the iPad 3 and either give my 5 yr old the iPad 2 or sell it.

I like my iPad 3 but could definitely is a smaller version.
 
The S4 is 699 or more. The ipad mini starts at 329.

Can it be done? Sure. But I'm not sure people would pay for it at what it would cost Apple.

To achieve retina, apple either has to use a 3rd resolution (which would force developers to have to recode their apps) or use a 326ppi screen, which might result in excessive battery drain (meaning either shorter battery life or a thicker and heavier ipad mini due to a larger battery).

Apple will likely want to keep the ipad mini as thin and light as possible, so the display will be most probably be sacrificed in this regard.
 
I start my clinical rotations in August and love the idea of keeping a mini in my coat pocket to view all the spreadsheets, word documents and pdfs I've made over the past year. Not sure if the non-retina model will work well for viewing small text though. Hope the retina comes out soon. :/
 
I wouldn't say I'm "more eager" to use a Mini, but I'm looking forward to seeing what the next gen brings in terms of power. If it brings a marked advantage over my iPad 2, I may pick it up as a nice cheapo upgrade.
 
I'm definitely looking forward to the Retina Mini. I currently have the iPad 4 and the only thing stopping me from buying the Mini is the less-than-ideal display. I love everything else about it. My current iPad is simply too big. I mainly use it for internet/reading/taking handwritten notes so having to hold this big clunky device simply because it has the best display is kind of a pain.
 
Sorry for asking sth so noob but the main problem for me is not low resolution but small fonts on safari and i have always to zoom while browsing.....so the noob question is. Will retina display bring bigger fonts?:eek:

ps: have you found any solution for current ipad mini?
 
Sorry for asking sth so noob but the main problem for me is not low resolution but small fonts on safari and i have always to zoom while browsing.....so the noob question is. Will retina display bring bigger fonts?:eek:

ps: have you found any solution for current ipad mini?

Not bigger fonts, but since the text will be more crisp, you may not have to zoom. This depends on your vision.
 
To achieve retina, apple either has to use a 3rd resolution (which would force developers to have to recode their apps) or use a 326ppi screen, which might result in excessive battery drain (meaning either shorter battery life or a thicker and heavier ipad mini due to a larger battery).

Apple will likely want to keep the ipad mini as thin and light as possible, so the display will be most probably be sacrificed in this regard.

Isn't there a chance that Apple will be able to improve the internals and the display?
 
Isn't there a chance that Apple will be able to improve the internals and the display?

Absolutely. It'll just take time for the technology to mature and prices to come down.

Think iPad 2-3-4. Once there was iPad 2 with standard resolution and people were happy. Then came iPad 3 with HD, which had to be slightly thicker and heavier than iPad 2, and people started complaining that the hardware could barely support retina. Not until iPad 4, the retina display was finally matched with proper hardware (the hardware what iPad 3 should really have).

Now it all has to happen for iPad mini, what the challenge that the mini is much lighter and thinner to begin with. This makes the incorporation of Retina considerably harder (e.g., upgraded processor, but not bigger batteries).
 
Absolutely. It'll just take time for the technology to mature and prices to come down.

Think iPad 2-3-4. Once there was iPad 2 with standard resolution and people were happy. Then came iPad 3 with HD, which had to be slightly thicker and heavier than iPad 2, and people started complaining that the hardware could barely support retina. Not until iPad 4, the retina display was finally matched with proper hardware (the hardware what iPad 3 should really have).

Now it all has to happen for iPad mini, what the challenge that the mini is much lighter and thinner to begin with. This makes the incorporation of Retina considerably harder (e.g., upgraded processor, but not bigger batteries).

I have thought of the exact same matter. It'll be interesting to see if there's a convergence between iPad mini and the regular iPad, given that A) the iPad 5 is rumored to be 25 % lighter than the iPad 4 and have the same form factor as the mini, while B) at the same time the iPad mini is rumored to become heavier and get retina display.
 
I'm not really a big fan of the iPad mini but I think the bigger screen the better that's why I'll stick with the iPad :)
 
I have both the mini and an Ipad 4, and the mini is the one that's get used the most. I do have to say when I want to read comics thou oe magazines I grab the 4 because it's the perfect size for that. The mini is ok for comics as long as you don't mind zooming and panning around.
 
Yes and no. I have an increasing feeling that it will be a very long wait, as in iPad mini going the same way as the regular one:
- increased memory and speed in rev. 2
- retina display in rev. 3
- hardware to handle retina display well in rev. 4

This is also my "feeling" based upon the information available today. I would be (positively) surprised if they manage to give the mini a Retina, but then the question is performance & battery life, like you said it could take another product cycle to be "perfect" in terms of having a performance buffer.
I would be in if it get Retina, but only if there is no compromise to the mini I use today. It is really great gadget, but I would not say no to more speed, RAM & Retina of course.
 
Im not waiting for the retina Mini per se, rather Im waiting for the next hardware revision/iPad 5. Although I really like the Mini's aesthetics and weight over the iPad 4-s, Im kinda put off by the hardware itself, as iPad 2 internals dont seem to be that futureproof anymore. So for me it is the waiting game until the next models and then I will have to decide between the new full-sized iPad and the upgraded Mini.
 
I'm really on the fence to be honest. I'm really waiting for an iPad 5 and I don't see a retina iPad mini coming to later this year if not next year. I think I would go for the iPad 5 still as I like the full size screen. The mini had a great form factor, and I will be picking one up for my wife as soon as a revision comes out, as she would really like "that cute iPad". :rolleyes:
 
I would consider and Ipad mini with retina if the price will not go up (and hopefuly they will start at 32gb) but at the same time I am eagerly looking at the successor of the nexus 7 when it will come out.. Few more weeks and we all know...
 
I've bought iPad mini's twice now and used them for a while and returned them. I love the size and all, but after a while the screen just really bugs me. I will definitely get a retina mini. my iPad 3 is a great device, but just not convenient for carrying around all the time.
 
i would sell the 4 tbh but only if the mini has a retina screen and at least the A6X processor.

The 4 is just a bit too big and heavy really.

Wifes got a mini atm and I like it.

Still blows me away that some folks consider the regular iPad 'too big and heavy'? My 8 year old son totes his iPad 1 everywhere and has no problem with it on his lap, on the couch. Since the release of the iPad, I've gone nowhere without my iPad. I do run a mobile business, so it's a 'tool'...but in comparison to the 'old days' (Pre 2010) when our choice was to carry around a 5-10 pound laptop and it's associated peripherals to keep it running all day (ala iPad battery life)---equaled a 15 pound plus laptop bag! The iPad, in a small case or man bag even---with it's associated peripherals MAY top 3 pounds. Too heavy? Really??? As well, so many cases/covers available with a 'handle' in order to increase the comfort while holding the 'big' iPad are everywhere and can be bought for as cheap as 15 or 20 bucks! Sorry---just a rant. We've got an iPad (original), iPad 2 and iPad 4---with a family mini. Our business is using iPad 3s---because of their connector and associated equipment with the 30 pin foundation. The mini is awesome! Convenient, light---easy to take with ya, but the iPad 'Major' is just as Awesome!! The retina display, battery life, LTE....and the 'Speed' of the 4th edition are all extremely positive attributes and to me makes the decision that much easier. Didn't mean to go this long...but the whole 'too heavy' thing to me blows my mind. Again...maybe that 'generational gap' that's becoming so evident on the MR board...those that have grown up with smaller gear and those of us used to lugging around heavy gear.

I am certainly waiting for the iPad mini...

I'm waiting for an iPad mini that will almost 90% be for eReading (but not only on Kindle, else I would already own a Paperwhite). But after the iPhone 5, there is no way I'm going back to the pixel density of my 3GS. It just looks terrible everytime I use it....

Even though they're matching PPI (3gs and Mini)---there are a whole lot of differences between those two displays. They're not in the same ballpark---the display on the Mini is excellent. While not 'retina' per sé, it's definitely a good, bright, decently color accurate screen. It's been only a year since we've been introduced to high resolution monitors bigger than 3.5"...yet it may as well be a decade. It just seems like no one remembers display technology pre-2012.

This was already pretty obvious. Too bad it's a feature made a bit trivial by the branding even though it isn't. People expect it.

As shown by sales numbers, eh? Almost a 2x increase in Q1 iPad sales (11.x million vs. 19.x million current) beating analyst and Apple expectations both. Apple had a helluva time making enough 'Minis' in the first 4-6 weeks. We (the geeks) expect it. PEOPLE don't!

I was reading a review today of the Samsung Galaxy S4 and the screen was said to be as good as if not better than the iPhone 5 so called 'retina' display.

Can someone please explain why putting a 'retina' LCD display in a 7" iPad mini is so difficult if Samsung can get a full HD 441 ppi OLED display in a 5" phone?

I feel this could get very technical!!

As mentioned earlier...the S4 is double the price and (the display) less than half the surface area of the 7.9" mini. Apple uses an IPS display, not OLED. Not really technical---more like cost prohibitive. The S4 doesn't match half the battery/energy 'lengths of use' of the iPad mini---even though the lit surface area is less than half...mandating a BIG battery improvement (ala iPad 3/4) to guarantee matching battery life performance of a high rez screen. As well---processing both CPU and GPU. Though as time marches forward, so do these options. Lots of discussion on this board and across the interwebs (Anandtech has an excellent idea about this) on why, when and how retina can be enabled on a mini---and to what degree it would affect performance.

There will be a lot of angry customers and Apple knows were waiting on an iPad mini (Retina).

I disagree. If there is a nice performance boost this year (A6/1GB RAM, GPU), most will be happy. I think there would be a bigger back lash if we got a mini with 5 hours of battery life...or similar battery life with a significant weight gain.

To achieve retina, apple either has to use a 3rd resolution (which would force developers to have to recode their apps) or use a 326ppi screen, which might result in excessive battery drain (meaning either shorter battery life or a thicker and heavier ipad mini due to a larger battery).

Apple will likely want to keep the ipad mini as thin and light as possible, so the display will be most probably be sacrificed in this regard.

I was kinda waiting on what else Apple could do---as it looks like you left open 2 possibilities. While I agree Apple wants to maintain the mini's 'figure', I don't think there's any need to create a different resolution. It's the same, exact form factor of the larger iPad @ 4:3, so they only need to worry about the same pixel doubling effort they did with the iPad 2-3 transition or the iPhone 3g(s)--4 change. I don't think Apple would even think about changing the screen format to 16:9 from it's current 4:3. If they did that though---the same could be done from the iPhone 5's resolution. Double it.

I start my clinical rotations in August and love the idea of keeping a mini in my coat pocket to view all the spreadsheets, word documents and pdfs I've made over the past year. Not sure if the non-retina model will work well for viewing small text though. Hope the retina comes out soon. :/

If your eyes are decent, it's fine as it is. You can give it a shot at your local Apple store or any re-seller. I use mine almost solely for reading--documents, PDFs, websites (I've found Mercury to be the best---as you can set a default text size without constantly having to adjust, it's global). Certainly retina will be sharper---I love it on my iPad 4, however...it may still mandate text resizing as this size of a tablet is pretty small...think 9/10pt text size. Upsizing to 12/14pt makes reading much easier.

Wow---didn't mean to elaborate this much to this many responses...but I liked the poll idea, and some of these responses...especially the idea that the public 'demands' high rez displays are just plain silly, especially when you look at actual sales!!! The iPad Mini, with it's 'inferior display', is a phenomenal device!!! If you've waited this long, it probably DOES make sense to wait it out, regardless of retina display or not.

J
 
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