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jxyama said:
i know i won't make any believers out of these posts, but would you purchase "extra" licenses to "pay back" for the free ones you've used in the past? would you buy them even if your company supplies you with copies at no costs to you?
The companies software is theirs, their license. I would buy my own, like i have done for jaguar, panther.
if you are a student and you need to use these expensive software, i have no doubt that those programs would be available at computer labs. why not use those?
We only have Paint shop pro at my university and not one mac on campus. We here in the UK ain't like many of the American colleges.
admit it's illegal
It is completely illegal.
sorry for the rant.
We all rant. :D
 
lucab1982 said:
We only have Paint shop pro at my university and not one mac on campus. We here in the UK ain't like many of the American colleges.

you know, that really sucks and is irresponsible of the school. :(

i realize it's not so simple for everyone. being a staff (and not a student) at a univ. i get the best of both worlds: positive income and edu. discounts.

i guess it's a fact of life... i wish there was a good solution.
 
FatSweatyChimp said:
I just think it's strange that now he's started shelling out hard earned money for stuff (like most of us here do anyway, me included) he realizes that software piracy is wrong.

It don't know if it's all that strange. On college you often get rides with whoever has a car when you don't have one, and you figure, ahhh, it's just a few miles, I don't need to pay them for gas. But when it's your own car, and gas is 1.63 a gallon, mile add up fast, and you realize how nice your friends really are being about the whole thing.
 
FatSweatyChimp said:
I am asking is he not letting the girl copy the software because he has paid for it this time. Why was it ok in the past for him to copy stuff himself but not now? Is it because he would feel like he spent the money for other people's benefit -exactly like the software companies he stole from?

What brought about this change of mind?

I am not attacking him personally by the way. I just think it's strange that now he's started shelling out hard earned money for stuff (like most of us here do anyway, me included) he realizes that software piracy is wrong.

why is it strange that he would realize its wrong, this is the only way you realize its wrong after uv pirated because it costs so much. if u never had to pay for it before u wont realize how hard it is to just give a copy freely...give the guy a break, hes just sharing how he feels about it now that hes experienced it first hand,nothing strange there
 
Fair enough then. Now he can pay back what he stole from the software companies in the past now that he's knows how much software costs can't he? :)

What do you mean "don't be silly" ??
 
jxyama said:
if you are a student and you need to use these expensive software, i have no doubt that those programs would be available at computer labs. why not use those? are you really "stealing" the program because you absolutely need it or you just can't live without the convenience of being able to use it on your computer?

Okay, well, first thing is first. Many people on here have asked if she's hot. Well, I don't think she is at all. If I were a guy, WHICH I'M NOT, I wouldn't be attracted to her. So yeah, for all of you out there, I'm a chick. You can refer to me as a girl now.

As for the guy I just quoted, I couldn't agree with him more. The first piece of software I ever paid for was Trillian Pro on my PC. I admit, I got a cracked copy at first, but the fact that I loved the program so much and used it all the time began to eat at me. Especially since they offer a free version. So I uninstalled my cracked Pro copy, and installed the free version. It didn't have all of the bells and whistles, so shortly after, I bought a legit copy. After that I realized that if it's something you use all the time and actually enjoy, there's absolutely no reason you should continue to rip off a company. The rest of my programs I continued to pirate, because I didn't use them so often, but even then I couldn't help but feel guilty. After I got my Mac, I did sort of see it as a fresh start. Since I'm going to school for Web Design, I saw no reason that I shouldn't save up for CS. Since I use it for work and personal use at least once a day, I definitely can save the money, whether it were $400 or $1200, I could save it.

I agree with jxyama completely. If you're a student and need to use the program for class, your school should have that program in their labs. If they don't, they really have no business teaching it. They can't expect everyone who takes the class to be able to pay for the program. Photoshop alone at a student rate is like, $200, and if you really want it that bad, pay up.

I know this girl who uses Photoshop for her work (a different girl from the one I previously mentioned in my original post). She designs covers for DVD's for some guy who works out of his home. He has a legitimate version of Photoshop that she uses while she's at work, but she has a pirated version at home. Does she really need the program, or is she using it for convenience? After all, she's only using it to touch of stupid pictures of her and her friends and could do all of this with a $100 program like Paint Shop Pro. But since it's so readily available, people think they NEED to have the best of the best. Well, they don't, and I don't. And I never said it was okay to pirate on a PC but not a Mac. I only use my PC for games now, but some of the programs that I still couldn't live without, I've paid for. Style XP being one of them. God, I love that program, so I bought a copy.

Simply said, if you're not willing to pay for a product, you have no business using it. If you use it professionally, you definitely need to pay for it since you're making money from using it. Use a 30 day trial, and in that period, I'm sure you could make the money to buy a copy.

Maybe this is all sounding hypocritical, but a person can change, you know. I think a good plan is to find her a copy online somewhere. Some people will steal no matter what you try to do, so it's not worth giving her a lecture over. Although, I do believe if you use it enough to have to have it on your home computer for more than an extended period of time, you need to pay for it. If you don't use it enough to warrant the cost, there are cheaper products out there. Even cheaper versions of the same product exist. There's just no excuse.
 
thinkofthestars said:
Okay, well, first thing is first. Many people on here have asked if she's hot. Well, I don't think she is at all. If I were a guy, WHICH I'M NOT, I wouldn't be attracted to her. So yeah, for all of you out there, I'm a chick. You can refer to me as a girl now.

As for the guy I just quoted...

ouch!! :D i guess we collectively gave you yet another reason to generalize men as... whatever men are generally generalized as. :p

btw, i am a "guy," so you got lucky there... :D
 
FatSweatyChimp said:
I just think it's strange that now he's started shelling out hard earned money for stuff (like most of us here do anyway, me included) he realizes that software piracy is wrong.

You're young, broke, and make poor decisions.. you grow up, make money and run out of excuses to steal software.... or that's how it went for me.

So he's protective of what he's paid for... I don't think there's anything strange about that.. at all.
 
thinkofthestars said:
Okay, well, first thing is first. Many people on here have asked if she's hot. Well, I don't think she is at all. If I were a guy, WHICH I'M NOT, I wouldn't be attracted to her. So yeah, for all of you out there, I'm a chick. You can refer to me as a girl now.

perfect! how ironic!
 
If she is a friend, tell her you don't feel comfortable sharing something you paid so much money for, and if she is really your friend she won't care, you are more important that the software after all.
If she is an aquaintence, Lie to her and tell her they both have to be activated to be used and can only be activated once, and that as you have allready activated them so they are uselesss to her. Don't let her take advantage of your good will and use you.

Its the principle.
Its the same with those cheaters we all knew in highschool who argued that since you knew the answers to the calculus test allready what harm was there in looking at your paper? The harm is it makes you feel resentful and ****ty to let others feed off your work, when you should feel comfortable since you worked to have the payoff. The same applies with your software that you worked to pay for.
Cheers.
 
Here are some options
Sell a copy to here for half what you payed. + give here a CD key you found on the net
Offer a barter, in other words she has to bring something to the table to make it worth your while
Give her a copy and black mail her at a later date (personal favourite;))
Say No
Tell her a good PtP site (www.bearshare.com)

Well these are just a few of the possibe options.
 
Opteron said:
Here are some options
Sell a copy to here for half what you payed. + give here a CD key you found on the net
Offer a barter, in other words she has to bring something to the table to make it worth your while
Give her a copy and black mail her at a later date (personal favourite;))
Say No
Tell her a good PtP site (www.bearshare.com)

Well these are just a few of the possibe options.

I make it a personal policy never to SELL pirated software...Making a monetary profit off of piracy could probably land you in far worse trouble if caught than just having burned the CD. So definitely don't go in that direction. It's a baaaad habit to start.
 
I think all of us are a little hypocritical at some point. When I was the DTP manager for a large printing company in LA the GP came in to me and said "hey, burn a copy of Quark for me so my daughter can use it at home..."
I protested but when I realized my job was at stake I had to consent. (I hated that A**h*le BEFORE he told me that) Anyway I now work for a nice printing company in New York and I am very appreciative of the fact that my boss lets me take whatever software I want home to use there (oh sorry, here) I do buy some of my own and have even taken copies back to work so I can have them there.
We are Adobe Solutions Network members which (for $595 a year) gives us the entire Adobe Creative line in both PC and MAC versions, which includes, but not limited to.. Adobe InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop, Acrobat Pro, GoLive, Image Ready, and anything else they feel like throwing at us. Because of this I am a member of the Adobe advisory committee and answer many surveys and receive all the latest news on what is happening and where. So when I bring home Adobe CS and use it at home to analyze and get to know it (we are still using OS 9 in our work production) I feel it is a give and take situation.

BUT I still admit it is pirating. And software companies such as Quark are seeing to it that it gets harder and harder all the time. Just ask anyone using Quark 6.x
 
thinkofthestars, you're not the only one who feels as strongly about it. I feel the same way. When i was just a lowly PC users every piece of software that wasn't free was warezed. Now that i have my Mac i have a strict no-warez policy for them.

I think the best solution to your problem would be to tell her you're not comfortable burning her an illegal copy of the software you spent all that money for. But let her know she's free to hang out with you and use the software on your Mac if she wants. :)

EDIT: whoops, just read that you are a girl. I guess my advice still stands though...minus the inuendo.
 
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