Ive read many threads that the 2.0 2.0 update linked above is wrought with problems. It showed up as a software update a couple a days ago for my new 2012 cmbp but others have recommended I not download due to all the issues with it.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Performance reduced after EFI update on MacBook Pro Retina
- Thread starter jisongkun
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
- Status
Ive read many threads that the 2.0 2.0 update linked above is wrought with problems. It showed up as a software update a couple a days ago for my new 2012 cmbp but others have recommended I not download due to all the issues with it.
Its pretty darn good. Not the best you can find but good enough for most games.
----------
Yeah who wants a quad core 16 GB laptop. Not high performance at all...
Thx for the link to this great App, it has really helped me to see exactly how my 15" MBP`s are managing temperature; My Late 2011 2.4 i7 very clearly heavily throttles under high load up to the point CPU frequency reduces to 2.3GHz @ 96C in order to lessen the thermal load, which is no real surprise.
Now the quandary my 2.3 base 15" absolutely does not throttle at all, even when fully maxed out with CPU temp`s over 90C and GPU peaking at 93C, it will solidly pump out 3.10 GHz all day, peaking at 3.16GHz, no shutdown`s, no restart`s, no SMC reset`s. The CPU scales perfectly through it`s full operating spectrum, my Retina has all the latest OS X and EFI updates installed. So why do so many have issues related to throttling? Personally i have no idea, nor do i have any explanation why my own 2.3 Retina does not throttle. Thanks to Intel`s "Power Gadget" there is no doubt in this, i used Bresink`s Temperature Monitor, UltraFan & SMC Fan Control to verify the thermals, loaded both systems with Dev/Null and same games to push the CPU/GPU thermals.
For those having issue with throttling I recommend that you try UltraFan, it will help to keep your Retina`s internals below 90C, for my test`s i closed the App so CPU & GPU would exceed the 80C - 90C mark, a target setting of 65C works well, ambient temp @ 26C.
Last edited:
Seems the rMBP is absolutely plagued with problems.
I dont know, as my Retina performs as advertised, the bigger question is how many more are the same...
hello there friend I used this program and indeed I saw that I don't have throttle issues at all.
But out of curiosity I want to ask you whether you have lag issues when it comes to UI (please don't mistake it with scroll lag on safari).
For example if you open Notes application and you try to manually change the size of the window (drag the bottom right corner and try to increase and decrease the window size) do you have choppy and laggy animation/performance?
This is the only thing that bugs me with this machine. Everything else is perfect ,got a perfect samsung screen, no creaks sounds, everything is just perfect. Except lag... :/ But it really affect the whole user experience...
So please try this and give me your feedback
I can't trigger throttling in OS X either.
<offtopic>Resize Notes app to be as narrow as possible and resize vertically, very smooth (40-50fps using quartz debug). When you make it wider, then vertical resizing becomes less smooth (~10fps when at 1440px width). This is an app specific bug by the look of it, I don't see similar behaviour in app I use...</offtopic>
<offtopic>Resize Notes app to be as narrow as possible and resize vertically, very smooth (40-50fps using quartz debug). When you make it wider, then vertical resizing becomes less smooth (~10fps when at 1440px width). This is an app specific bug by the look of it, I don't see similar behaviour in app I use...</offtopic>
Exactly the same happens to me, thanks for the update.
On a more ontopic note, if you reinstall ML, will you avoid downloading that darn EFI update, or are you doomed to be stuck with it even if you make a clean install right from the scratch?
Nvidia's mobile cards are excellent this generation. There is no doubt that the 680m is way better than the rMBP's 650m. At least twice is good in many cases. Games that are less than 30 fps or unplayable on the 650m are mostly above 30 fps or playable (except Metro 2033 at Ultra which is unplayable on both) on the 680m. Games that run at 30fps on the 650m are usually 60fps on the 680m. But if gamers are like me and play games on the highest settings possible at 1440x900 (because it's exactly half of 2880x1800), there won't be a whole lot of difference since the 15" Sager tops out at 1080p. It's also heavier with typical PC dimensions. They don't have like for like specs. The cheapest Sager cost as much as the rMBP with 2x the RAM, an optical drive, and a slightly faster CPU. No SSD, no symmetrical aluminum case, no retina display, legal or easy OS X. And increasing it's specs to include two GPUS in the 17" models is a huge waste of money for a laptop when you can build a couple of high end gaming rigs for the same price. Not portable, but neither really is those 17" monsters. My two cents anyways
hello there friend I used this program and indeed I saw that I don't have throttle issues at all.
But out of curiosity I want to ask you whether you have lag issues when it comes to UI (please don't mistake it with scroll lag on safari).
For example if you open Notes application and you try to manually change the size of the window (drag the bottom right corner and try to increase and decrease the window size) do you have choppy and laggy animation/performance?
This is the only thing that bugs me with this machine. Everything else is perfect ,got a perfect samsung screen, no creaks sounds, everything is just perfect. Except lag... :/ But it really affect the whole user experience...
So please try this and give me your feedback
Maybe a touch, however it`s almost imperceptible. My 2.3 base Retina has never really shown much sign of lag, only a very little under Lion, once i upgraded to Mountain Lion pretty much zero. I have often wondered why so many document issue with lag and now throttling as my Retina simply does not exhibit such behaviour. The lag can be subjective, however the throttling is absolutely clear cut and validated by Intel`s power app zero throttling regardless of load, equally i have no doubt that many are incurring these issues...
Mine is the same as this persons. My base rMBP is not affected by the bug and would happily run flat out forever if i let it.
However, when I'm on bootcamp for games I always disable Turbo on the CPU, so could this be a possible reason I'm not seeing the bug?
Last edited:
That's not true. I have a base rMBP, and I was plagued with the EFI bug for as long as I could remember.
Then one day... I think the computer decided that I'd reset SMC one time too many, and thus it cured itself.
Since then, I haven't had to reset SMC or do anything special. The computer just worked, and performance level was as high as I could wish for.
I don't believe you are correct here, as the rMBP runs an overclocked 650M that has equivalent performance of a 680M.
----------
Seems the rMBP is absolutely plagued with problems.
Or it's the users
I don't believe you are correct here, as the rMBP runs an overclocked 650M that has equivalent performance of a 680M.
----------
Or it's the users
Equivalent to a 660M, not 680M.
Results from Cinebench
Here are my results before and after a SMC reset
https://twitter.com/KoenraadVDS/statuses/285446751060643841
It's like half-performance
Here are my results before and after a SMC reset
https://twitter.com/KoenraadVDS/statuses/285446751060643841
It's like half-performance
Perfect device for photo/video processing with Retina display.
And i cant just render my movies without getting a throttling bug.
So, im using it wrong?
What is going on with Apple and EFI already?
Seriously why does apple seem not bothered or interested AT ALL with this issue??
Its been so long that this EFI thing is plaguing rmbp owners and you'd expect apple to effing rpovide support for their supposedly "top of the line" model/customers...
I mean that is what you get for getting the latest and greatest from apple?
Where is the support? Where is the interest towards the complaints of so many people?
Seriously why does apple seem not bothered or interested AT ALL with this issue??
Its been so long that this EFI thing is plaguing rmbp owners and you'd expect apple to effing rpovide support for their supposedly "top of the line" model/customers...
I mean that is what you get for getting the latest and greatest from apple?
Where is the support? Where is the interest towards the complaints of so many people?
- Status