Perian Alternative for Mountain Lion

Discussion in 'OS X Mountain Lion (10.8)' started by TheRainKing, Jul 26, 2012.

  1. TheRainKing macrumors 6502a

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    Hi, its me again! :D

    I have been enjoying Mountain Lion but I couldn't help but notice that suddenly half of my avi's will no longer play, and since the team that developed Perian are no longer doing updates for it, I think its time to look for a new codec solution for the OS X? Anyone got any suggestions?

    I realise that everything will probably play fine in VLC player, but I really liked being able to play avi's and stuff in Quicktime.

    So any suggestions?
     
  2. Matt.Simmons macrumors member

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    Looking for a solution as well. VLC for now I suppose.
     
  3. NATO macrumors 68000

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    I was looking for a Perian alternative as a lot of my videos weren't playing. I looked around and just decided to install Perian anyway - everything works fine.
     
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    Weird I installed it and it refused to play my .avi's in quicktime. Ill try it again.
     
  6. 50548 Guest

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    This was one of my suggestions when talking about ML...Apple didn't seem to bother about improved codec support, so we still need to rely on third-party benevolence.

    Perian is dead, although developers promised one last version...we'll see.
     
  7. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    Maybe someone else will pick up the project, Perian's developers said they'd make the source public for anyone to resume their work if they wanted.

    However, I'd like to know, is there any good reason not to use x264 for all videos, or aac for all music? Seems to me the other codecs should be dropped off once and for all.
     
  8. 50548 Guest

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    Well, I'd love that but the landscape is much bigger than 264 or AAC - so the question is whether you support more stuff or not.
     
  9. heisenberg123 macrumors 603

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    Why would apple support avi? Macs do not create avi's with any of their video editing software so really the only need are for torrents, now nothing against torrents I download tonnes but don't expect apple to help
     
  10. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    Ah, I see. It's a pragmatic complaint not a theoretical one. Well, in that regard I kind of like the current system, though obviously with Perian in jeopardy that makes things different.

    Apple takes the high-road only supporting the future tech, kind of giving an incentive for people to move forward. That's fine so long as we get third-party tweaks that include support for the other codecs. But if those third-parties die out, then it's really annoying when things don't "just work", and that is a mark on Apple. So I'd be sympathetic with the complaint if FlipforMac, Adobe Flash-Player, Perian, etc. all stopped working.

    People (I'm not saying you here) like to complaint that Apple's systems are closed, which is in part true, but they are flexible enough that if you do a little research, you can open them up to all the missing goodies. It's not clear to me why Apple should support everything under the sun. Find the best/most efficient way of doings things, and invest in that, let others pick up some change by adding additional support.

    Same with Airplay Mirroring, give it for fully capable systems and let third-parties like Air-Parrot deliver the workable but less than ideal solutions. If Perian dies, some developer might be able to sell a all-in-one codec expansion for 5-10$. I'd probably buy that simply for the convenience, even though I wish everyone would just move on to x264 and HE-AAC.

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    We live in an interconnected world, if my friend makes a movie in windows and shares the file with me and it's an AVI file, then I'd like a way to play that back. Yes, VLC and other programs work just fine, but obviously the more integrated it is into your current system, the better. It's not that hard to add the support for these additional codecs. Again it comes back to the philosophy Apple is supposed to represent. "It just works". The consumer isn't supposed to have to fight the system to get what he wants his computer to accomplish.
     
  11. ac3320 macrumors regular

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    AVI's suck. Period. Why would you download an inferior BDrip (Xvid encode) when H.264 (x264) is so much better quality/size? It baffles the mind. Still, just install Perian. It works fine with 10.8. And stop worrying about AVI's man. That is seriously the crappiest container on the face of the planet, relegated with the likes of obese caucasian glasses-wearing butt juice smelling Windows XP peeps.
     
  12. Zerozal macrumors 6502

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    VLC works fine with Mountain Lion.
     
  13. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    AVI is a dead and old container. No need to create support for it, if you only need it to share things you buddies create. Tell them to use proper and modern containers, such as MP4.
     
  14. Blue Sun macrumors 6502a

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    I use MPlayerX. Its essentially a clone of QuickTime player, except it has full codec support built-in.

    The GUI is beautiful as well, I highly recommend it.
     
  15. JohnDoe98 macrumors 68020

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    I agree the world should move into h264, but I was merely pointing out a use beyond torrents so as to explain why some people would like to see this from Apple. There is an inconsistency with Apple's philosophy of aiming for simplicity and things just working and them trying to push superior standards on everyone. While the latter is for the best, it comes at a cost of having to rely on third-party tweaks or apps, and things not just working.
     
  16. TheRainKing thread starter macrumors 6502a

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    h265 will be out next year.

    Same quality, half the bit rate! :)

     
  17. T'hain Esh Kelch macrumors 601

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    But on the contrary it fits with Apples philosophy of having things as simple as possible, and not to provide features which has nothing to do with the rest of their portfolio.

    Also, it opens up a potential market for third party vendors.
     
  18. Eodvince, Oct 9, 2012
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    Install Perian. If that doesn't work, you probably can't play those specific AVIs in Mac OS X. AVI is a container, not a format. Or Have you tried AVS iMedia Player ? It is free and This app is optimized for iPhone 5.
     
  19. MagnusVonMagnum, Jun 7, 2013
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    My Canon digital camera A590 creates .AVI movies. Is that a torrent? :rolleyes:

    (yeah I realize this post is old)

    I don't like having to convert those movies to H264. It's compressing something that's already been compressed once and that can only result in lower video quality. Many torrents have moved to MKV anyway (I'm not sure of anything commercial offhand that uses MKV; I use it with some DTS sources like DVDs to preserve the DTS soundtrack). I really don't know why Apple can't add a plugin support setup for iTunes. I'm forced to load XBMC onto my AppleTV units to avoid converting.

    Frankly, I find it strange that Apple constantly updates their RAW camera compatibility to ensure OSX works with all the latest and greatest digital cameras for photos, but they can't be bothered for video? It's really odd and unprofessional, IMO.
     
  20. 50548 Guest

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    This thread is old, but here it goes again anyway - just install Perian AND Flip4Mac on ML and you're good to go. I can't even remember having difficulties opening video files.

    And if you REALLY need some wider codec support for those few problematic files, download VLC or MPlayerX and that should be enough to play them.

    ALL of the above are free downloads.
     
  21. MagnusVonMagnum macrumors 601

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    Unfortunately, that doesn't help with iTunes/AppleTV, which is what I would need to use a stock AppleTV to view the content around the house. I have any number of viewers I can use on my computer itself and so that really isn't the issue.
     
  22. wiz329 macrumors 6502a

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    Thought I'd jump in here.

    There are purposes to other codec, and especially containers. AAC is lossy -- many people prefer the quality of FLAC.

    x264 is a great codec, but other containers that QT won't play (.mkv for example) are great, especially for playing videos with high sound quality (DTS or DTS HD).

    Honestly, if QT is good enough for you (and you don't use iTunes for ATV or anything -- which I think the iTunes player sucks anyways), you should just switch to VLC. Waaaaay better. You can't do hardly anything in QT, even something as simple as selecting a subtitle or audio track.
     
  23. TwoBytes macrumors 68020

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    VLC is great but No perian no thumbnails in finder of the video or preview which is what gets me. We need system support. I have folders if video which is great to flick through. When 10.9 comes out, I guess you won't be able to so this and the file you want with ease
     

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