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If only parents would...parent.

How is this not just a modern tool for parenting though? It's not invaluable for kids to learn how to use technology, so you don't want to deprive them of it totally. Kids also need independence to learn and grow. At the same time you don't want them addicted to their phone and you want them to be forced into other experiences that don't involve staring at a screen. It's all a balance and parenting isn't easy.

I remember back in the dial-up AOL days I had time limits (that of course I figured out a way around). I don't consider my parents not having parented...
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How about giving kids flip phones until they are older? Why do they need an iPhone?

What do you consider to be older? Do you think maybe there is some value in being proficient in a device they'll need to be a productive adult in most fields? Whether we like it or not smart phones aren't going anywhere. When is it OK to have a smart phone?
 
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It's a really craptacular feature. Like Do Not Disturb, it was simply to check an item off a list against Android/justify a yearly release cycle. You can see from the stalled development that Apple doesn't really care about it.
 
If apple can't get screentime working correctly, what makes people think apple is doing security and privacy correctly? Faith.

If you read the actual issues, it's just basic app settings that aren't being applied by the adult causing the problems. Sure, those settings might be helpful to also have available for adjustment in the screentime settings, but it's a mistake to conflate these issues with the security and privacy efficacy of the manufacturer. The security settings are there, the adults just need to set them.
 
I cant believe this b@&€!?t. It cant be that hard if my 9 year old can sort out all of the parental controls. As a mother of course I control it myself but in just a second of distraction (while working or cooking) he can access to banned apps. The time limit is easier to control by myself, but not the content. Bottom line: I took the Ipad away for good. If Apple thought that by making us believe that by ignoring the “glitches” or “wormholes”, kids would use more of Apole products... they are wrong! because us, the parents, will stop trusting the company! I will never believe that such capable execs couldnt or cant do anything about it!!!!
 
Long, long time ago I've called this issue "Christmas GATE". (Why this name, because children receive presents during Christmas, and in this case Unlimited Access forever. )

I was reporting this and all kinds of work around to Apple from 2016 at that time Screen Time was called Parental Control; I've reported this issue as bugss, as a new feature requests, also reported it on their forum (where my posts were removed, I don’t know why?), also on MacRumor forum where you can find by topic "Christmas GATE" .
Apple just don't care. And I was keep finding new work arounds all the time and reporting to Apple, no replies, no fixes.

The best example of how badly Screen Time is design, it is Screen Time protection pin, where you have to specify 4 digit pin, and you cannot increase the leanght of it – 4 digits, it is not enough to protect out children.


RIP MY LOVELY CHILDREN
 
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Holy crap that Protect Young Eyes site is toxic.

And expecting a technical nanny to protect kids is absurd.

The key to raising good kids: Maintain a good relationship with them, and show interest in what they're doing offline and online.

I had a web-connected PC in my bedroom since I was 13. I'm 31 now and turned out OK. But I have parents who were interested in what I was doing, would let me fail to learn lessons, and supported me through it all.
 
Apple should pay kids with App Store gift cards for finding these loopholes. No more than $3-$5 per finding.
3-5 bucks? My kids would tell Apple to kick rocks. They know the value of their time and efforts. Besides @bydandie right. Pay the proper people to do the job.

Yes. I do understand you were joking. At least I hope you were joking. Ahhhh either way, I'm gonna assume you were.
 
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Clearly none of you people have kids....

There are competing apps that work far better than screentime, unfortunately they require an admin profile be installed on the device.

Screentime is legitimately the worst stock Apple app. (flamesuit on!) It's horrible and doesn't do what it's designed to do.

For instance, you can set Games to 1 hour... but it doesn't work for Fortnite, which is all the kids play. You look at the device and you're like "how did you play 9 hours of Fortnite today??"

I know... "take away the phone"... but then you can't call them or track them on the bus or see where they're driving, etc.

Just set the fortnite app itself to one hour. Thats what i do.

I love ScreenTime. You just need to be aware of the hacks & how to set it up appropriately.
 
That linked article on Protect Young Eyes is hilarious. Those question read like the parents are completely helpless to stop their child and they need Apple to fix it for them.

Just stop giving your phone to your child or be a parent and tell them no.
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Curious what some of the loopholes are?

Hit the "documented" link in the article.
 
How is this not just a modern tool for parenting though? It's not invaluable for kids to learn how to use technology, so you don't want to deprive them of it totally. Kids also need independence to learn and grow. At the same time you don't want them addicted to their phone and you want them to be forced into other experiences that don't involve staring at a screen. It's all a balance and parenting isn't easy.

I remember back in the dial-up AOL days I had time limits (that of course I figured out a way around). I don't consider my parents not having parented...
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What do you consider to be older? Do you think maybe there is some value in being proficient in a device they'll need to be a productive adult in most fields? Whether we like it or not smart phones aren't going anywhere. When is it OK to have a smart phone?

Around 16 when they get their drivers license or start learning how to drive. It would be a nice way to train people to not stare at their phones while driving too.
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How do you think that'll go with the other parents in Monterey? You'll look like a barbarian.
Doesn’t matter. I don’t believe in 10 year olds having iPhones. Flip phone just for emergencies until they are older.
 
That linked article on Protect Young Eyes is hilarious.
I like the article's reference to starving hyenas:

The article said:
My kid figured out my 4-digit passcode.

Pick a harder code. Seriously. They may be lurking over your shoulder when you type it in, or looking at the reflection from your glasses. I’m not making this stuff up! They hunt for screen time like starving hyenas.

It makes the point that beating the system is the natural behavior of the "youngster" species. And since the average kid spends more time than their parents experimenting with smart devices, they tend to know the ins and outs better than their parents.
 
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How is this not just a modern tool for parenting though? It's not invaluable for kids to learn how to use technology, so you don't want to deprive them of it totally. Kids also need independence to learn and grow. At the same time you don't want them addicted to their phone and you want them to be forced into other experiences that don't involve staring at a screen. It's all a balance and parenting isn't easy.

I remember back in the dial-up AOL days I had time limits (that of course I figured out a way around). I don't consider my parents not having parented...
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What do you consider to be older? Do you think maybe there is some value in being proficient in a device they'll need to be a productive adult in most fields? Whether we like it or not smart phones aren't going anywhere. When is it OK to have a smart phone?
Silly. iPhones are easy for almost anyone to use. They’ll catch on.

You need to be proficient in Excel, not on how to open Safari and send an iMessage.
 
In defense of parents here (and as the parent of a teenager):

1. Many schools require kids to have iPads or similar devices. Those of you saying "kids don't need devices" (especially posting on a site like this) make me laugh if you're insinuating that us mature adult Apple geeks can use technology but the kids don't really need it.
2. It's 2019. I actually want my kid to grow up with a device that they learn the technology as well as responsibility on.
3. I'm a good parent, but I also have a job and a life separate from my kids, and I cannot be watching every minute of their iPad time. (In an older generation, maybe kids would be addicted to TV or gaming consoles that were more publicly viewable, but with iPads, they are increasingly "private" and self-owned devices, used with the iPad's back to the rest of the room.)
4. I want to give and teach my kids both freedom and responsibility. I'm OK with giving the kid an hour of game time a day, to unwind with their friends, and so long as they're not doing anything illegal, obscene, hurtful (etc.) I don't feel the need to police it. Again, I'm a good parent and have taught my kids values. That said, I'm not OK with 9 hours of Fortnite.

The *idea* of Screen Time is a great one and has already been a good help in my family to give the kids some freedom and discretion and exploration/freedom but not let it get out of hand.

The practical details of Screen Time are a disappointment. Apple threw it together and didn't bother thinking through many of its details. I'm very frustrated that it basically barely works, and has enough loopholes/oddities that I think badly of Apple on a near-daily basis that I have to put up with this half-baked solution. And I also resent that Apple designs it so that basically only Apple can manage this. It is difficult for a third-party to come in and have enough access to be able to do it better.

My grade for Screen Time: C+. Apple isn't a C+ kind of company, and I sincerely hope they either fix it or allow other people to fix it, ASAP.
 
Not sure if this affects any other parents, but when I clicked through the article and saw the things they were saying, it reminded me to glance at the screen time settings and see if they needed to be adjusted. I discovered that all summer running ios13 beta everything was fine. I tapped on it a few minutes ago since doing the ios13.2 beta and it was turned completely off. I had to go through and reset everything. I was wondering why my daughter's phone was showing activity at 1am at her mother's house...now I know why. sigh
 
I have spent a ton of time setting up screen time for my four children. However my son simply gets around it by going into settings and changing the date and time manually back a few hours before downtime and his time limit have expired. Surely the date and time settings are meant to be locked out?
 
I have spent a ton of time setting up screen time for my four children. However my son simply gets around it by going into settings and changing the date and time manually back a few hours before downtime and his time limit have expired. Surely the date and time settings are meant to be locked out?
It would be nice if that trick was automatically prevented, but it isn't. The article referenced by MacRumors tells you how to fix it with appropriate settings.
 
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