How does the iPhone's toxicity compare to its largest competitors?
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Phil Schiller Addresses More App Store Concerns
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How does the iPhone's toxicity compare to its largest competitors?
Fox News is evil. But I doubt that Apple's sponsorship is a political statement. Jobs is a well known liberal. And then Al Gore, of course.
Some people don't think, do they?
A number of times in this thread I've read to the effect that Steven Frank isn't even an iphone developer and should stop whining. Well, for you apple/appstore apologists, if Apple wants to get good developers like him (ever heard of Panic?) working for the platform they're not really trying too hard at going the right way about it. He may not currently code for iphone, but never will at this rate. And others may just well follow suit unless Apple do something about the problem (and not lame excuses from the man in search of a personality*). Then where will you be?
* Sorry, Phil, I'm sure you're a real nice guy, and your keynote had its moments. But ... y'know?
A number of times in this thread I've read to the effect that Steven Frank isn't even an iphone developer and should stop whining. Well, for you apple/appstore apologists, if Apple wants to get good developers like him (ever heard of Panic?) working for the platform they're not really trying too hard at going the right way about it. He may not currently code for iphone, but never will at this rate. And others may just well follow suit unless Apple do something about the problem (and not lame excuses from the man in search of a personality*). Then where will you be?
* Sorry, Phil, I'm sure you're a real nice guy, and your keynote had its moments. But ... y'know?
In the context of his statement, he seems to be saying that it is a huge commercial success for Apple. Do you have "different ideas" that would contradict the idea that it was a huge commercial success for Apple?
that's ridiculous! The reply from the email should be clear and detailed! That is unfortunate that Apple would do that...
I agree with you that Apple evidently needs to clarify their guidelines. But rather than a petition, how about a list? What specifically needs clarification?
I agree. They need to clarify their guidelines.
Simply say what is not acceptable and show examples or different interpretations of this for clarification
Because frankly, it looks as though they don't have any guidelines themselves and are playing it by ear.
Pretty pathetic.
Simply say what is not acceptable and show examples or different interpretations of this for clarification
Because frankly, it looks as though they don't have any guidelines themselves and are playing it by ear.
Pretty pathetic.
I believe hype is behind of a lot of the app store's so-called "success," and I can't imagine Apple making a lot of revenue from it. As I understand, they make most of their revenue from hardware sales.
My idea of a successful "app" store would probably be Cydia, where developers are not rejected with dubious copypaste rejection letters, and where you can pretty much find anything Apple's app store has, but for free. That's a success, for the user, anyway.
2001 called and wanted their obvious statement back.
Apple is just as sneaky as MS, if not more so. Apple wants FULL control of their market, which has its positives, but clearly has negatives as well. The App Store will become more lenient over time, as Apple gets hounded by devs. Until then, deal with it. It's still by far the greatest innovation in the last 5 years. People need to stop bashing the App Store. Just remember life BEFORE the App Store
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You simply don't get it do you..?
If you think they represent seasoned ObjC/Cocoa developers that have driven the technologies for decades you're completely off base.
I guess that's one of those "just a feeling" beliefs, because there is no evidence behind it.
Apple is probably making minimal profits on the App Store itself, though revenue is probably considerable. But if the point of the App Store is to sell iPhones, wouldn't you tie its success to iPhone revenues? Which of course are off the charts.
Your idea of a successful App Store is an legally murky one that gives away most of it's apps for free? I don't think that was what uberamd was referring to when he made his statement.
Why exactly is that supposed to be my problem? Not hearing from Apple about your App for 30+ days is borderline ridiculous. If they have a small team, then they better hire some more. You do understand that the developers pay Apple 30% of the revenues?
Having to wait 14+ days to get out a critical fix to your customers is unacceptable.
Read below for a typical everyday scenario...
This needs to be quoted over and over again in this thread. And it basically summarizes what happens with other developers and how Apple communicates with us.
You guys just read a couple of stories about two or three apps being rejected but there are TONS of similar cases everyday.
Anyone remember how Apple stole Konfabulator? So does anyone think Apple really give two cents on how they really feel about developers? They are just trying to create some buzz to make the tech community think they actually care.
It's not legally murky at all. You own the phone, do what you wish with it. If you're a developer and author an application you wish to share with everyone for free, you submit it to the community store. This is not always possible with Apple's store, and with little to no explanation as to why an app is rejected, it is no wonder why these free communities are thriving and gaining momentum. People don't like to be told what they can and can't do with their toys, and what programs "aren't worthy". It's really that simple. Will you still defend Apple if they start rejecting applications for programs they don't want running on their macbooks/imacs?
The app store obviously has some contribution to the iPhone's success, but it's design and aesthetics are really still ahead of the competition. Other smartphones are so ugly in comparison, but that is changing.
Your post sounds as if you would be better off going back to firmware. You may find your experience more satisfying.
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I read his post, I don't think Apple needs to respond to a juvenile tirade like that. I really find it hard to respect anything or anyone that thinks it is OK to lace a public posting with expletives like that. If I wrote something like that at my job, I would be disciplined and probably dismissed if I repeated. I'm not making excuses for Apple, I don't know the whole story, but his editorial is pathetic.
Fact: He doesn't know what is in Apple's contract with AT&T.
Fact: He passes a lot of judgements without knowing the full story.
Is this how he runs his company? Does he direct language like that at his staff?
I read his post, I don't think Apple needs to respond to a juvenile tirade like that. I really find it hard to respect anything or anyone that thinks it is OK to lace a public posting with expletives like that. If I wrote something like that at my job, I would be disciplined and probably dismissed if I repeated. I'm not making excuses for Apple, I don't know the whole story, but his editorial is pathetic.
Fact: He doesn't know what is in Apple's contract with AT&T.
Fact: He passes a lot of judgements without knowing the full story.
Is this how he runs his company? Does he direct language like that at his staff?
Jailbreaking is likely a violation of the DMCA. The EFF is petitioning the copyright office to specifically legalize jailbreaking.
Also, with no verification, who confirms that all the applications are legal? It would be illegal for Cydia to distribute illegal apps.
But you don't own the software distributed with the phone. You only license it.
Okay, nice rant. I agree that we should all live in utopia. And Apple should have clearer guidelines and provide better reasons for rejecting apps. What's your point? None of that changes the fact that the App Store is a huge commercial success for Apple.
I am not defending Apple to you. I am simply defending the rather obvious fact that the App Store is a huge commercial success.
Okay?? I think you are agreeing with me, but I'm not sure. Are you saying that the App Store is not a significant part of the iPhone's success?
Jailbreaking is likely a violation of the DMCA. The EFF is petitioning the copyright office to specifically legalize jailbreaking.
Also, with no verification, who confirms that all the applications are legal? It would be illegal for Cydia to distribute illegal apps.
But you don't own the software distributed with the phone. You only license it.
Okay, nice rant. I agree that we should all live in utopia. And Apple should have clearer guidelines and provide better reasons for rejecting apps. What's your point? None of that changes the fact that the App Store is a huge commercial success for Apple.
I am not defending Apple to you. I am simply defending the rather obvious fact that the App Store is a huge commercial success.
Okay?? I think you are agreeing with me, but I'm not sure. Are you saying that the App Store is not a significant part of the iPhone's success?
I'm not sure why this post came off as a rant to you, I was merely trying to give you an example as to why people are unhappy with Apple's app approval process, and why it's clear that "huge success" doesn't accurately describe the store's performance. With a locked iPhone, you have no choice BUT to use Apple's app store. That's not success. And no, the app store does not play a huge role in it's popularity; this is obvious. It is what the iPhone can DO that makes it very popular..as well as it's design.
For people who wish to utilize the iPhone's full potential, jailbreaking and alternative app markets are needed. The DMCA means very little to innovative developers who will make unauthorized apps regardless of software restrictions. Should Apple decide to start prosecuting people for jailbreaking the iPhone, it would create far too much bad press and I would imagine Apple would not want to take that sort of risk.
He's still upset that Apple bought SoundJam rather than Panic's MP3 software, the name of which escapes me. As a consumer I don't see any signs of toxicity in the App Store. Does Frank realize that Google Voice isn't even publicly available yet? Why isn't it an outrage that Google takes years to officially launch its products? Don't real artists ship?
It's not easy. Published guidelines invite lawsuits when disputes arise. Apple would need to provide some sort of arbitration panel if it publishes guidelines.
