Seeing as Apple is refusing to publish the Hey app, they would HAVE to pay more. I say "would" because in fact they really have no option now -- if they like the app, they can't get it.
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Phil Schiller: Apple Will Not Change Decision on 'Hey' Email App, No App Store Rule Updates Imminent
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Seeing as Apple is refusing to publish the Hey app, they would HAVE to pay more. I say "would" because in fact they really have no option now -- if they like the app, they can't get it.
Yes, now you're getting it. Giving users and developers options would allow competition and is the fix that people have been suggesting.
There could be behavior similar to Mac on the iPhone that advises you the app is not signed and would you like to continue executing it. If it's good enough for Mac...
The suggestions I’ve seen so far are allowing side loading, allowing external payment platforms and reducing the cut.
Personally, as a savvy consumer, I already know to shop around before making a decision to buy. But I guess maybe some people need to be reminded to do that?
In a day where increasingly people and companies are caving due to media pressure and whiny people, it's refreshing to see Apple stand its ground, especially since they're simply going by the book!
Not sure how anyone could be on Hey's side in this after knowing the facts. The rules are clear and are being applied fairly.
Not sure how anyone could be on Hey's side in this after knowing the facts. The rules are clear and are being applied fairly.
You’ve opened up an attack vector no better than what you get on android there though. We need to keep away from that possibility.
Remind me how to install apps on the iPhone that Apple have banned without jailbreaking the device.
Yes, those are called options.
Same, but not every customer does or will always knows where to look. Even just allowing a small link back to the developers site would go a long way to helping customers shop online relatively safely.
Probably not, but I certainly don’t think it’s justification to add it to iOS.
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You can’t. You buy an android device or something else.
The long and short of it is you cannot have a device as secure as the iPhone AND be able to install what you like from wherever you like. As a consumer you need to choose whether you want the extra security of iOS or the more open nature of android. Users should be able to choose one or the other. A lot of options suggested here would take that choice away from consumers.
Great for them if they do. They'll be able to hire extra developers, work on more features, which drives sales further.
They'll also have the option of charging less to get more sales.
Either way, everyone wins.
It's well known in economics circles that, when controlled for other variables, economies with smaller tax rates grow faster than economies with larger tax rates. Imagine how much bigger the app economy could be without Apple's 30% tax.
Why shouldn't it be removed from macOS? Is it not the same user base being targeted with both devices? Why should your security concerns be applied unevenly?
Do we need/want the app economy to be even bigger? As a consumer I can’t see how I would benefit from yet another app that does the same thing as many thousands of others already on the market. And prices are already rock bottom.
As a consumer, what improvements will I see?
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Maybe Apple will? Who knows what their plans are. I’m not bothered either way.
That is some fine, fine logic you're sporting there. So by giving people a choice in the form of a switch that allows direct app downloads, you're taking away people's choice to, what, not have a choice?
If you want your walled garden experience, just don't flick that switch. You'll get to keep iOS as it is today.
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Yes, I really believe the only constant in the history of the world is change. Apple will fold someday. It may just be sooner rather than later if they double down on their user-hostile policies.
We're not going to get through to him. He will subserviently accept whatever Apple comes up with.
I'd like to be reminded how I can shop around for a one-time payment app without giving Apple a 30% cut.
Or how I can shop around for Hey's service if Apple won't even allow them to publish their app.
Yes I want to be able to choose a device that doesn’t give the option to flip a switch. I want to be able to pick that device for my mum, dad, Aunty and sisters. You’re thinking too narrowly and/or thinking about your own requirements only.
Please don't be condescending. First of all, the rules are quoted in the article itself (EDIT: Sorry, not this article...was getting it confused with another one on the same topic...anyway, they're no secret). Secondly, I HAVE read the rules (in fact, I've quoted them numerous times in another thread or maybe two). It is crystal clear that Hey is not a reader app by definition. There is absolutely no question about this.
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Now you're arguing directly against innovation and competition. Is this really the stance you want to take? That today, June 19 2020, is the day that we as consumers have enough apps and enough choice, and nothing that comes from this day forth could possibly create something new or offer an improved experience?
Here, let me show you something, straight from System Preferences on my Mac.
All we want is that switch. You think macOS would be any more secure if the switch went away leaving "App Store" as the only option?
Don‘t be childish. I understand your points I just disagree with them.
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The App Store, as it stands, has not prevented innovation or competition. I can pick thousands of email apps for my phone. What I’m questioning is your assumption that there’ll suddenly be a huge amount of innovation and extra competition if Apple relaxed their rules. I’m pretty certain that a) there won’t suddenly be a really innovative app thats never been seen before and b) prices will not go down so there won’t be any additional competition.
Can you then explain to me how an email service doesn't fall under "accessing a professional database"? Because from my understanding that's exactly how an email service works, which going by Apple's written rules of what classifies as a reader app would allow Hey to operate as intended from launch just like Netflix.
Yeah the most profitable company in the world is such a wonderful and virtuous underdog, standing their ground against those mean internet bullies. You nailed it bro
Apple milking devs for every bit of revenue they can get. Unless the devs happen to be a big media company and have ability to fight Apple. Basecamp will almost certainly lose this one. Even Spotify had immense trouble trying to get a seat at the negotiating table.
It's so sad to see the Apple of later years, become this greedy and unimaginative.