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I've heard some people say that it takes about 50 kWh of electricity just to go from oil in the ground to 10 gallons of gas in a car - that same power could be used to just drive an EV over 200 miles.

That 10 gallons can take a Toyota Aygo 540 miles. Where does the other 85kWh of electricity come from?
 
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This is nonsense from the oil companies, who would much rather you continue to depend on them rather than just buy solar panels and an EV and never pay another cent for power again.

You wouldn't consider using a hydrogen fuel cell to power your phone or laptop. You wouldn't use a gas generator to power your TV. So why do you think it's a good idea for your car to be powered that way (it's not. Oil companies today are the same as cigarette companies from decades past. They have nothing left other than to lie and distort, telling you that you shouldn't or can't switch.)

Agree..like i said..hydrogen is the way...chemistry dont lie, maybe oil companies, marketing companies or car companies do..but physics and chemistry never lie
 
making an electric car is also polluting more than gas car...they just moved the pollution from the big city to outside the cities, but outside the cities is part of this world too so...this is just a stage until hydrogen cars
mild-hybrid is the way now for those who dont like electric cars

There are several studies and recent one that show this is just not true: https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/26/lif...are-lower-than-gasoline-cars-experts-say.html

Even if the car is charged with electricity 100% generated from Coal it is still better to drive an EV then an ICE car from an environmental standard. A coal power plant is much more efficient then the gasoline engine in the car.

Creating the EV still has a higher impact on the environment vs. a ICE car but that is very quickly offset as soon as the user starts to drive the EV, the ICE car is polluting it's entire life an EV may not be or pollutes far less. Also the impact for creating the EV will become less and less as manufacturing ramps up.

Charging the car in the US has a much lower impact then say India because we have a very high usage of Natural gas vs Coal. Also some power companies offer people the ability to offset their electricity usage with Solar (even if they can't put solar on where they live) so the power generation part is "green".
 
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Agree..like i said..hydrogen is the way...chemistry dont lie, maybe oil companies, marketing companies or car companies do..but physics and chemistry never lie

Hydrogen while cool, is never going to be the way as a fuel for the masses to use in every day transportation. It is far too expensive and doesn't really work at scale. Billions of dollars has been poured into it and it's just not going to happen.
 
Don't you need electricity to make Hydrogen?
Or use some special algae that naturally produce hydrogen (I don't where is the research on growing these algae are now, it started a few years ago). If they can pull it out, it will be far cheaper and cleaner.
 
This is completely untrue. There are 100 YouTube videos debunking this myth.
Maybe you should not rely so much on YouTube to prove this point. I'm pretty sure there must be 100 YouTube videos "explaining" why this myth is true… 😄

Hydrogen cars are a waste of time and hybrids are the worst of both worlds. If you can find a plug to charge your MacBook / iPhone you can charge your electric car right there. Electricity is everywhere already and the dirty parts of the grid can be cleaned up.
Actually, no. Except if you think charging your electric car in 3 days is acceptable!
You need an installation capable of delivering high intensity to get an acceptable charging time, and this means cables much thicker than than the ones of your iPhone and even MacBook, and a plug (and wires behind) able to sustain these hight intensity.
As a matter of fact, if suddenly everybody shifted to electric vehicles and if there was enough electricity available for that already, the existing electric infrastructure would not be able to handle it. In the end, rewiring a whole country may be more expansive than building the few new power plants needed…
As for "cleaning" the dirty parts of the grid… I think the Germans tried this (by "cleaning" they meant "getting rid of nuclear electricity"): they ended up buying electricity to France (90% nuclear) and bringing back online old coal power plants.
I think it will be possible to eventually have all electric vehicles and "clean" electricity (maybe even through hydrogen cells, if hydrogen can eventually be produced biologically), but thinking that it can and must happen overnight is really wishful thinking at this stage.
 
This is nonsense from the oil companies, who would much rather you continue to depend on them rather than just buy solar panels and an EV and never pay another cent for power again.

You wouldn't consider using a hydrogen fuel cell to power your phone or laptop. You wouldn't use a gas generator to power your TV. So why do you think it's a good idea for your car to be powered that way (it's not. Oil companies today are the same as cigarette companies from decades past. They have nothing left other than to lie and distort, telling you that you shouldn't or can't switch.)

So why are NASA and other space agencies persist in using fuel cells in space?
I don't think it's a bad technology. What is not ready for mass consumption is a way to produce hydrogen cheaply, cleanly and in big quantities. Few years ago, I read about Japanese researchers starting to grow some kind of algae that naturally produces hydrogen. If this kind of research is fruitful in the future, it can change everything very quickly.
 
The timing of this PR piece is very interesting.

I can ONLY wonder what might have triggered it.

I suspect that we will soon be hearing that Phil is stepping down from ALL his roles @ Apple, & I suspect the Reason for that is "to Protect the Brand".

Phil made some UN-wise moves @ Apple, ONE of which will soon be taking a BIG Bite Out of Apple !
 
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pure electric cars are boring, hybrid is where its at (listen to the 918 Porsche engine) and I hope the combustion engine never goes away and they find alternative fuel for it

seriously, all these electric hypercars go so fast but no sound and they all will end up just being too similar, who cares about 1500+ horsepower you don't really need that much, its suppose to be sound/acceleration and electric cars will never beat the previous generations V8/V10/V12s in terms of thrill/excitement

Exactly this. As a car guy for 50 years, I have zero desire to own an electric car.

Oh, and Tesla's aren't only boring... they're really ugly vehicles.
 
The timing of this PR piece is very interesting.

I can ONLY wonder what might have triggered it.

I suspect that we will soon be hearing that Phil is stepping down from ALL his roles @ Apple, & I suspect the Reason for that is "to Protect the Brand".

Phil made some UN-wise moves @ Apple, ONE of which will soon be taking a BIG Bite Out of Apple !

When you're worth $92,000,000, you can do whatever you want. Doesn't sound too unwise to me.
 
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Exactly this. As a car guy for 50 years, I have zero desire to own an electric car.

Oh, and Tesla's aren't only boring... they're really ugly vehicles.
You really wouldn't want to own a Rimac Nevera or Porsche Taycan Turbo S?
 
I have 6.2kW Solar PV on my roof. So I generate 30kW a day on good days. This can be dumped into my car battery - for free. Otherwise top it up twice a week over night if needs be.

before I got the PV I’d charge twice a week off peak from midnight to 8am at a cost of €3.50 on average. 5c a unit here night rate with a electricity provider here in Ireland.
Maybe this last week like, but c’mon now ;)
 
Exactly this. As a car guy for 50 years, I have zero desire to own an electric car.

Oh, and Tesla's aren't only boring... they're really ugly vehicles.
Having test driven the Audi e-tron GT RS recently, I have to say it changed my mind about EVs. Even the (manufactured) sound. And the design is gorgeous.
 
I'm sure nobody else cares, but how are they celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Countach? It launched in 1974.

1971 doesn't really have any bearing here either, since they certainly spent more than 3 years developing it - they already had the first prototype ready to present to the world at the 1971 Geneva Auto Show. So they're celebrating 50 years since they debuted the first prototype to the world, 3 years before the first production model was produced?
 
So I wonder, from where will you and all other people pull all the electricity, that is needed for the eletric cars for the masses?


 
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This is completely untrue. There are 100 YouTube videos debunking this myth.

Hydrogen cars are a waste of time and hybrids are the worst of both worlds. If you can find a plug to charge your MacBook / iPhone you can charge your electric car right there. Electricity is everywhere already and the dirty parts of the grid can be cleaned up.

This is nonsense from the oil companies, who would much rather you continue to depend on them rather than just buy solar panels and an EV and never pay another cent for power again.

You wouldn't consider using a hydrogen fuel cell to power your phone or laptop. You wouldn't use a gas generator to power your TV. So why do you think it's a good idea for your car to be powered that way (it's not. Oil companies today are the same as cigarette companies from decades past. They have nothing left other than to lie and distort, telling you that you shouldn't or can't switch.)

You two should watch the "100's of YouTube videos" on Lithium mines and "ignore all the nonsense from the EV crowd."

I'm sure nobody else cares, but how are they celebrating the 50th anniversary of the Countach? It launched in 1974.

1971 doesn't really have any bearing here either, since they certainly spent more than 3 years developing it - they already had the first prototype ready to present to the world at the 1971 Geneva Auto Show. So they're celebrating 50 years since they debuted the first prototype to the world, 3 years before the first production model was produced?
I think you answered your own question. 😉
 
Maybe you should not rely so much on YouTube to prove this point. I'm pretty sure there must be 100 YouTube videos "explaining" why this myth is true… 😄


Actually, no. Except if you think charging your electric car in 3 days is acceptable!
You need an installation capable of delivering high intensity to get an acceptable charging time, and this means cables much thicker than than the ones of your iPhone and even MacBook, and a plug (and wires behind) able to sustain these hight intensity.
As a matter of fact, if suddenly everybody shifted to electric vehicles and if there was enough electricity available for that already, the existing electric infrastructure would not be able to handle it. In the end, rewiring a whole country may be more expansive than building the few new power plants needed…
As for "cleaning" the dirty parts of the grid… I think the Germans tried this (by "cleaning" they meant "getting rid of nuclear electricity"): they ended up buying electricity to France (90% nuclear) and bringing back online old coal power plants.
I think it will be possible to eventually have all electric vehicles and "clean" electricity (maybe even through hydrogen cells, if hydrogen can eventually be produced biologically), but thinking that it can and must happen overnight is really wishful thinking at this stage.
Do you have an electric car? You seem to be an authority!
 
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You two should watch the "100's of YouTube videos" on Lithium mines and "ignore all the nonsense from the EV crowd."


I think you answered your own question. 😉
Ignore the 100k cars Tesla sold last quarter and the fact they are sold out for Q3 already. It will never catch on!
 
Do you have an electric car? You seem to be an authority!
Not yet, but we had charging stations just installed in our building. However I sure didn't know that buying a Tesla car makes its owner an instant expert in physics and High tension delivery over long distances. Wow! These cars are even more impressive than I thought!😏
 
As a matter of fact, if suddenly everybody shifted to electric vehicles and if there was enough electricity available for that already, the existing electric infrastructure would not be able to handle it
People would mostly charge at night, when a lot less energy is needed.
 
Let me get this discussion back on track: omg I will always love the Countach. For ppl of a certain age, existed only in dreams and on millions of posters on millions of walls (bedroom, dorm room, or otherwise).
 
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