Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Donfor39

macrumors 68000
Original poster
Jul 26, 2012
1,956
381
Lanarkshire Scotland
Thankfully got Philips Hue Bridge+2 e14 Bulbs ordered.
Small step towards some home Smart Tech.
Before Saturdays delivery, any recommendations if I should use Hue App via iPhone/iPad.
As an alternative, is HomeKit via Ap4k t.v. going to be useful.

Looking forward to seeing these Bulbs work when required, before investing in further Smart Tech.
t.i.a.
 
The good news is that the two aren't mutually exclusive! You can use them interchangeably as you wish.

For me? I mostly rely on HomeKit because I have not only Hue stuff, but also a bunch of Lutron Caseta gear and some random smart plugs. HomeKit ties all that stuff together with Siri control and awesome automations.

But at the same time, I use an automation in the Hue app to fade my bedroom lights on gradually each morning. HomeKit can't do that. Hue fades on and gets to full brightness at 7:30am. HomeKit then fires an automation to turn on the Lutron Caseta switches at 7:31am. And then HomeKit turns all of it off at 9am if I haven't already.

Or as another example, HomeKit takes care of turning on my lights at sunset and setting my dimmer ambient scene at night. But if I want cool colors or something, I might fire up a Hue Labs routine on my Hue bulbs via the Hue app. Once I turn the routine back off, the Hue bulbs revert to whatever they were set to previously via HomeKit.

Once you start playing with the the Hue app and Home app, I think you'll come to find what mix works best for your usage scenario.
 
You will end up using both. Just like DJLC said, they are not mutually exclusive. At times there may be firmware updates - and the Hue app will facilitate that. HomeKit app is just too convenient not to use!
 
  • Like
Reactions: Arran and Donfor39
as others have said, it's both.

it's been a while and may have changed, but I think you need to use the hue app for adding bulbs to the hub.

You then you use the home app to add the hue hub to homekit, and it brings all the bulbs with it.

in the future, you can add bulbs to the hub using the hue app, and they'll pop up in the default room in homekit automatically.

there is a sync room feature or something like that in the hue app. and I think sometimes it will pop up a question and ask if you want to do it. You never want to do that! It scrambles everything.

and to make it more complicated,
it's homekit and hue and eve

the eve app gives you a lot of extra features. It's just a second front end for homekit.
All the scenes and automations are accessible in both, as they pull from the same backend. And they also work with home hubs, so automations will work on them.

  • you can add conditions to triggers, so for a motion sensor, you can say "on motion, if light 1 is off, then turn on light 2". that.
  • It allows you to copy and paste color from one light to another, helpful when you're trying. to match lights to one another.
  • you can also copy/paste color in scenes
  • Another cool feature is you can easily turn on/off which parameters are included in the scene. So you could make a scene that's only the color blue, and not include the on/off or dimmer state of the lamp. So when you play the scene only lights that are already on will turn blue, and maintain their dim level.
    • When you record a scene in the home app it records everything, so the scene would always bring all the lights it includes to 50% dimmer and blue color.


And if you want to get even more involved
there are several "disco" apps that will flash your hue lights to music.
all of them work at the same time, and the lights will go to the last command the received,



also one hint
when recording scenes , if you set the lights up in "live" mode. Meaning set the lights in your room how you want them in the scene. Then once you're happy with how everything is, create a new scene. When you select the light to include in the scene, it will pull it's current state into the scene.
If you don't do it that way, you have to go back and forth a screen and hit a button to see what the changes you've made actually look like.
(this is at least true for the home app, not sure about eve)

when doing this, you can set up the lights in "live" anyway you want, besides all the manual options you can also..
--ask siri to make the lights a color
--use the hue app (it's helpful because it has group controls for rooms)

and also--- hue scenes are different, so recording a scene in the hue app will not make it appear in the other 2 apps
 
Delivery hopefully today.
I thought I could possibly use iPhone 12 Mini Home App to Setup Hue Bridge, of it's the Hue App that's fine.
I'll need more Power Socket Extensions to connect Bridge+Ap4k t.v.
Noticed Dimmer switch is out of stock, that's my next purchase.
 
@Donfor39 You will need to use the HUE app initially to set up the Hue bridge, and of course add any new bulbs, dimmers, sensors and stuff using the Hue app.....all Hue related products will get their firmware updates through that app too......so you will need to use both the Hue app and the home app for different things at different stages.

Once its all set up on the Hue app, then you can goto the Home app and add an accessory....being the Hue bridge, which will then ask you to scan the QR code on the base of the Hue bridge...then it should all be done.

Edit: Is the Apple TV4k going to be your only Home hub....or do you have other devices going to act as the Home hub too?
(for reference, I have 4 HomePods & 2 Apple TV 4k's all acting as possible Home hubs)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Donfor39
Once its all set up on the Hue app, then you can goto the Home app and add an accessory....being the Hue bridge, which will then ask you to scan the QR code on the base of the Hue bridge...then it should all be done.

Edit: Is the Apple TV4k going to be your only Home hub....or do you have other devices going to act as the Home hub too?
(for reference, I have 4 HomePods & 2 Apple TV 4k's all acting as possible Home hubs)
Excellent replies everyone Thanks!

In reference to Home Hub, I thought ap4ktv is the Only HomeKit enabled device.
Unless I can use IPad 11' or iPhone 12 Mini as Hub.
I don't know of any other Homekit devices, though stopped reading checklist when I read Hue Hub compatible.

This setup is only to be my Initial smart home setup, I'm not sure which extra Devices to invest in, until I purchase additional E14 Bulbs, only extra 4 to purchase.

Thanks
 
Possible home hubs can be a HomePod (full size or the mini), Apple TV's (4th gen or the 4k model) or an iPad (as long as it stays in the house permanently.

Once you start the smart home route....it gets very addictive as you look for other things to try out, such as motion sensors, light strips, more dimmer switches and so on (sticking with Philips Hue stuff)....which also means its expensive too. lol
 
  • Like
Reactions: Donfor39
That is very fast setup via i pad 11"/Philips Hue App.
Very smart as white E14's Dim No Dimmer switch required.
Does lights wall socket stay On 24/7.
 
Yes, you need to keep the wall light switches on 24/7 in order for any Philips Hue light bulbs to work correctly.

If you turn OFF the wall light switch attached to a Philips Hue bulb, it will come up as "No Response" in the home app and something like "Not Reachable" on the Philips App.

I also bought these so others in the house could NOT turn off a switch by mistake:

 
As an Amazon Associate, MacRumors earns a commission from qualifying purchases made through links in this post.
  • Like
Reactions: Donfor39
Hi guys, I am also a rookie with Hue. Bought a few E27, smart buttons and a HomePod Mini. I have a question please. I have a light in my living room with 2 bulbs. Is there a way to merge them to one light so it show as one light and not 2 espcially in Home Kit where I need to turn on both.
See pictures. It is in French so FYI : Salon = living room, Canapé = couch (as my light is above my couch).
Voila!
Thanks
X
 

Attachments

  • A7544F24-1A79-4223-A56F-19B4F161032E.jpeg
    A7544F24-1A79-4223-A56F-19B4F161032E.jpeg
    86.3 KB · Views: 222
  • 928E0F17-81CD-49BE-91CD-64A6E9FDDDC1.jpeg
    928E0F17-81CD-49BE-91CD-64A6E9FDDDC1.jpeg
    354.9 KB · Views: 214
Hi guys, I am also a rookie with Hue. Bought a few E27, smart buttons and a HomePod Mini. I have a question please. I have a light in my living room with 2 bulbs. Is there a way to merge them to one light so it show as one light and not 2 espcially in Home Kit where I need to turn on both.
See pictures. It is in French so FYI : Salon = living room, Canapé = couch (as my light is above my couch).
Voila!
Thanks
X

Yes, tap and hold one of the lights and select the cog wheel icon and go into the settings. Select group with another accessories... and place them both together and give it a name like "lamp 1" or "lamp 2" etc. Works great.
 
Yes, tap and hold one of the lights and select the cog wheel icon and go into the settings. Select group with another accessories... and place them both together and give it a name like "lamp 1" or "lamp 2" etc. Works great.
Ok on what app? Home kit or the Hue app?
 
I’ve never been able to add my Hue Bridge to HomeKit, despite the fact that they’re compatible. I think it’s a hardware issue with the bridge itself. So, I rely on the Hue app as well as Hue Essentials, which adds some nice functionality to the platform (including the watch).
 
  • Like
Reactions: Donfor39
Thanks. It worked perfectly well. As it seems you are a Hue Guru I would have another question. I like to have by default the “lightfull” scenario in my living room made of 2 lights (one single light bulb and the other one with two light bulbs). If I decide to dim the lights or choose another color how can I ask Siri to come back to my preferred scenario? So far it does not work or I do not know how to ask him simply to come back to my “preferred scenario”. Can i do that? If not in the Hue app maybe in the home kit app? Maybe I am not very clear.
Let me know
Thanks
 

Attachments

  • 1DD09ED2-B559-4AD1-B22C-1A2DFCBC51BC.jpeg
    1DD09ED2-B559-4AD1-B22C-1A2DFCBC51BC.jpeg
    131.3 KB · Views: 187
I’ve never been able to add my Hue Bridge to HomeKit, despite the fact that they’re compatible. I think it’s a hardware issue with the bridge itself. So, I rely on the Hue app as well as Hue Essentials, which adds some nice functionality to the platform (including the watch).
Interesting. What do you do with the Hue essentials app that the other don’t?
 
Thanks. It worked perfectly well. As it seems you are a Hue Guru I would have another question. I like to have by default the “lightfull” scenario in my living room made of 2 lights (one single light bulb and the other one with two light bulbs). If I decide to dim the lights or choose another color how can I ask Siri to come back to my preferred scenario? So far it does not work or I do not know how to ask him simply to come back to my “preferred scenario”. Can i do that? If not in the Hue app maybe in the home kit app? Maybe I am not very clear.
Let me know
Thanks
When u tap that Hue Scene do you see a pencil icon in the top right corner? If so tap that and a menu comes up and one of the options are to add to Siri Shortcuts. See if that does what you are describing?
 
When u tap that Hue Scene do you see a pencil icon in the top right corner? If so tap that and a menu comes up and one of the options are to add to Siri Shortcuts. See if that does what you are describing?
That is right but if I want to add to Siri that same scenario it tells me it is already used. So If I use scenario 1 and want to link it to room A it is fine. If I want to use that same scenario for room be it tells me it is already used and I cannot add it.
 
Interesting. What do you do with the Hue essentials app that the other don’t?
Hmm, I don't even recall what the use case was, but I think it was watch-related. I don't use it as much now, as the Hue app has added functionality and features over time.

Yea, the HomeKit thing is very strange. It doesn't seem to be a widespread issue which makes me think it's just a flukey hardware thing.
 
That is right but if I want to add to Siri that same scenario it tells me it is already used. So If I use scenario 1 and want to link it to room A it is fine. If I want to use that same scenario for room be it tells me it is already used and I cannot add it.
Try opening the Home app and select the + to add a new Scene (give it a slightly different name) then select the accessories (lights) that you would like but are different from the other scene and that should work. (I think)
 
Try opening the Home app and select the + to add a new Scene (give it a slightly different name) then select the accessories (lights) that you would like but are different from the other scene and that should work. (I think)
Great it works as I needed, thanks. I just realized that my favorite light is sizzling since I installed the Hue bulb. It my Miss K from Flos 😟. This lamp has a dimmer. I set it up to max but still sizzles. When I dim it down with HomeKit or the Hue app it sizzles less but whenever it reaches 75% sizzling go up gradually. not much I can do I guess.
By the way there is no HomeKit widget that I can add when sliding my home screen to the right.
 
Hmm, I don't even recall what the use case was, but I think it was watch-related. I don't use it as much now, as the Hue app has added functionality and features over time.

Yea, the HomeKit thing is very strange. It doesn't seem to be a widespread issue which makes me think it's just a flukey hardware thing.
You have a HomeKit code on the bottom of the Hue bridge? What is it doing or saying that you can’t add it?
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.