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I migrated from HomeKit to matter the moment I could once HomeKit and the Hue bridge supported it, I actually found matter to be a little more responsive overall, and it seems I've been on mater for about two years looking at when the Hue bridge supported it.

In those two years, my Hue lights have been rock solid with HomeKit via matter, as for that popcorn effect, if I turn a ceiling light on or off that has three to six lights in a single group via the Hue app itself then the bulbs work together immediately in sync, doing the same thing via HomeKit with matter they do respond very quickly, but they do it one by one, same if you turn them off. Could be a matter issue, HomeKit's fault, or maybe just the slow bridge when using matter.

Not really an issue, but it will be interesting to see how the new pro bridge handles it via HomeKit and matter, will be interesting to see if it's the same or more responsive.
Good to hear! I’ve got a pro bridge on order so I guess I’ll see how matter works in a few weeks myself. Thanks for sharing your experience.
 
The OmniGlow strip lights are priced at $139.99 for 40 meters

Yeah, that's incorrect.
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Have the old Philips bridge and some Hue bulbs. They function very well. The new bridge with support for more lights along with the new Hue bulbs are quite nice. Some of these are on the costlier side.
 
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very cool. I’d consider upgrading the hue bridge, but I only have one room with more than 3 hue lights...
Yeah, this is the downside for me too. I only have ONE room with three lights in it so it's it's not worth the cost of upgrading the hub. I'll stick with my $5 PIR from AliExpress and Homey Pro flow.
 
Good luck finding another smart home brand that also doesn’t require you to use an account
Look at this. It specifically addresses this, and it is 100% open source.
 
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The Hue Outdoors product line uses low-voltage power supplies, which are preferable for outdoor deployments. If using their regular light bulbs, you'd have to run the 110/220 power outside. I'm unaware that Signify is offering low-voltage light bulbs you could use in outdoor light fixtures.
Interesting, maybe it's a regional thing, but the Hue up/downlighters I have installed on the front of my house in the UK are 240v
 
I'm not upgrading as I only have 5 Hue lights in total, but one of the advantages of the new hub is that it (finally!) supports wifi.

Having to connect my hub using an ethernet cable is so last century.
 
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Apple is a bit player in this field. I would NEVER install an Apple-based home automation system in a client's home. My phone would ring for the rest of my life.

But I can install "Hue" is and it just works. Hue and Lutron Casita are the only system that "just work" for YEARS with no futzing.

If this is in your own home and you are a technology geek and enjoy messing with this kind of stuff, then yes use Apple and Siri.

So, here is the key. Set up a Hue system. Get it working. Then use Apple HomeKit as a control interface. All the logic and control are in the Hue hub. Siri is used as a light switch. Then, when Apple's software craps out, you can still turn the light on using the Hue controls if you need to use the toilet at night.

When the lights don't work and you have to use a flashlight, then the installer gets a phone call at 2:00am "Can you be here in 15 minutes?"
You know hue and apple work together because hue is part of HomeKit and has been for years now…
 
As it turns out, the new lights can do matter over thread. You were right about the old products. This is new.
Not according to the specifications listed on their website. It says the new hub can do Matter over Zigbee or wifi, but the new lights bulbs are Zigbee only.
 
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Apple is a bit player in this field. I would NEVER install an Apple-based home automation system in a client's home. My phone would ring for the rest of my life.

But I can install "Hue" is and it just works. Hue and Lutron Casita are the only system that "just work" for YEARS with no futzing.

If this is in your own home and you are a technology geek and enjoy messing with this kind of stuff, then yes use Apple and Siri.

So, here is the key. Set up a Hue system. Get it working. Then use Apple HomeKit as a control interface. All the logic and control are in the Hue hub. Siri is used as a light switch. Then, when Apple's software craps out, you can still turn the light on using the Hue controls if you need to use the toilet at night.

When the lights don't work and you have to use a flashlight, then the installer gets a phone call at 2:00am "Can you be here in 15 minutes?"
Hue and Lutron have been rock solid for me as well. At another property, Govee has likewise been set-it-and-forget-it (along with more competitive pricing).
 
But I already see a problem: In a bedroom, you want the light to go on when a person walks into the room, or gets out of bed at night. But you want the light to remain off if a person turns over in their sleep. So the motion detection has to be aimed at ONLY the floor space and not the bed. I doubt this Zigbee-based system can be aimed like that.

The only thing I find that works is some kind of multi-sensor tried together with "if, then, or, and ,else" logic. We will have to see if the Hue system allows this.
I think it is even trickier than that when the bedroom is used by two people.
1. Room is naturally lit enough: don’t do anything.
2. Room is dark, nobody is inside: turn on the light when someone enters.
3. Room is dark, someone is already inside: turn the light at 5% intensity only when someone else enters; if it is the person inside the room who is getting out… well I guess it’s anybody’s choice (turn on at full power or dimmed). Maybe depending on the time ?(I personally hate to get full light on when I wake up just to go to the toilets).
4. If the person in the room has turned off the light, of course don’t turn it back on if moving occurs only in the bed!
Etc.
And this doesn’t even account for the animals people can have too!
I think motion detectors alone are not very reliable with automations when multiple people are involved as it is easy to lose count of people movements. But a presence detector like this could do better maybe. Or am I mistaken?
Maybe using a combination of presence detectors and motion sensors?
Or am I overthinking it?
 
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New Pro Hub all setup, transferring the settings from the old hub to the new one was painless in the Hue app as it transferred everything over flawlessly as I only had one bridge, took about 15 to 20 mins to transfer. As expected I had to reconnect it to Apple Home again and that was a massive pain in the ass as it kept failing no matter how I tried, after trying for about the 10th time it finally paired to Apple Home somehow and so far all is working as it should over Wi-Fi and Ethernet, speed and responsiveness is the same on both connection types.

One massive improvement is the popcorn effect with matter through Apple Home, on the old bridge if I had something like six ceiling lights grouped up, they would turn off quickly, within 2 secs but one after another. With the new pro bridge it's a massive improvement as the grouped lights now go off and on almost in sync, it's now almost as fast as the old native HomeKit setup and pretty damn close as the native Hue app, you can see an ever so slight popcorn effect so it's not eliminated fully, but's a good 95% improvement over the old bridge at least.

Even just dragging your finger over the light colours in Apple Home, it's a lot more responsive and snappy when doing it to grouped lights. Really happy with the bridge so far, worth every penny and at least if Hue comes out with something that needs the new bridge, I'm good to go.
 
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New Pro Hub all setup, transferring the settings from the old hub to the new one was painless in the Hue app as it transferred everything over flawlessly as I only had one bridge, took about 15 to 20 mins to transfer. As expected I had to reconnect it to Apple Home again and that was a massive pain in the ass as it kept failing no matter how I tried, after trying for about the 10th time it finally paired to Apple Home somehow and so far all is working as it should over Wi-Fi and Ethernet, speed and responsiveness is the same on both connection types.

One massive improvement is the popcorn effect with matter through Apple Home, on the old bridge if I had something like six ceiling lights grouped up, they would turn off quickly, within 2 secs but one after another. With the new pro bridge it's a massive improvement as the grouped lights now go off and on almost in sync, it's now almost as fast as the old native HomeKit setup and pretty damn close as the native Hue app, you can see an ever so slight popcorn effect so it's not eliminated fully, but's a good 95% improvement over the old bridge at least.

Even just dragging your finger over the light colours in Apple Home, it's a lot more responsive and snappy when doing it to grouped lights. Really happy with the bridge so far, worth every penny and at least if Hue comes out with something that needs the new bridge, I'm good to go.
Nice! Doing mine this weekend...hope it goes just as smoothly as yours! Really hope I don't have to end up re-doing all of my Apple Home shortcuts I've created over the years.
 
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