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ITsamsamsam

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I didn't find any direct comparisons on the net, so I figured I'd do it myself.

We know that iphone 14 pro shoots at 48 only in pro raw and we know that, in this case, the photo is much less processed than that at 12.
Finally, we know that the result of a photo at 12 is often more satisfying than one in pro raw because to make the pro raw equal or better than the Apple one, it is necessary to work (well) in post production.

My question: Halide allows you to shoot in 48 heic format ... is the resulting file "processed" or will it be rather "raw" like a proraw converted to jpeg?

The answer is that the 48 photos of halide heic are processed like the "stock" 1

12 mega pixels first




































What about Apple's pro raw?

Here is a comparison between two 48 mega heic photos taken with halide and two photos taken with the stock camera in pro raw and then edited with lightroom mobile:












PS: Halide seems to consume less battery (it is true that I took two out of three photos with the stock camera, but the consumption seems to be of the photo app still seems to be higher in proportion)



what do you think?
 

Fat_Guy

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For convenience I use Halide to shoot a 48mp photo in jpg when I want more definition in the shot. I get let’s say a 15mb file size. On Apple’s stock app
ProRaw file size outdoors would be like 117mb which is too large!


So for snap shots it’s the stock app and more detail it’s Halide. I haven’t done any pixel peeping yet as this is a work in progress.
 

Fat_Guy

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Also: Halide seems to have added a bunch of widgets to launch to at to a specific camera or setting from the lock screen.




Ok, it’s expensive but that’s cool.
 
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RuthlessRow

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When I want 48MP I use ProRaw, run a shortcut that finds raw files in my gallery, converts them to jpeg. That way I have a 48MP jpeg taken with stock camera app with high quality and low size.
 
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ITsamsamsam

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When I want 48MP I use ProRaw, run a shortcut that finds raw files in my gallery, converts them to jpeg. That way I have a 48MP jpeg taken with stock camera app with high quality and low size.
this way you lose Deep fusion and smart hdr (correct me if I'm wrong)
 
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MichaelMidnight

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So forgive me if this was already stated but I didn't read it, is the 48mp Heic shot on Halide smaller in file than the Apple Stock 48 Pro Raw file converted back to Heic?
 

ITsamsamsam

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Idk. Side by side they look exactly the same aside the size. I might be wrong tho.
on the phone screen are identical. try to export two photos taken one after the other (one heic, the other pro raw converted) on the mac and watch them from there
 

Fat_Guy

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Just curious, why the love affair of Heic?



I have to move photos around the world and resize and shunt to servers. You guys must be loners - as I get agro sending people Heic. It’s easy for me just to stick with jpg - no disrespect to Apple’s support for Heic.
 
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Just curious, why the love affair of Heic?

I have to move photos around the world and resize and shunt to servers. You guys must be loners - as I get agro sending people Heic. It’s easy for me just to stick with jpg - no disrespect to Apple’s support for Heic.
Love affair? It's the default on iPhone since 5 years ago. People have to deliberately change it back.

Loners? All Apple users can view HEIC.

And I don't even know how to preserve HEIC when sending it to people (maybe use the "keep original" setting? never tried it). When I drag it to my Mac from the photos app, when I send it via messaging app, when I email it, and in other scenarios, it converts to jpeg.

So your comment is kind of strange.
 
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Wizec

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Just curious, why the love affair of Heic?



I have to move photos around the world and resize and shunt to servers. You guys must be loners - as I get agro sending people Heic. It’s easy for me just to stick with jpg - no disrespect to Apple’s support for Heic.
Samsung does heic by default…
 
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Danfango

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I think this confirms that if you own the 13 then there's no point in buying the 14. The difference is not that pronounced. It only adds some detail resolution.

I'm interested to see what it does with the image processing more than the RAW to be honest. The 13 Pro image processing does some weird ****.
 

Fat_Guy

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Love affair? It's the default on iPhone since 5 years ago. People have to deliberately change it back.

Loners? All Apple users can view HEIC.

And I don't even know how to preserve HEIC when sending it to people (maybe use the "keep original" setting? never tried it). When I drag it to my Mac from the photos app, when I send it via messaging app, when I email it, and in other scenarios, it converts to jpeg.

So your comment is kind of strange
First of all by loners I mean photographers who continue the processing to the end. Others may take the shot and send it to others.


I’m a total hack, but I default to the most compatible format available. I still have bmp files on my early internet photos and nothing but issues today. Yes, I’ve been saving photos on servers for internet use since 2003. My favorite files are png and you see the folly of not going most compatible - like in a tiny box where a proper photo should be…



I use PCs for the same reasons so all my work stations can be used by anyone. I was just surprised that only one other reply so far mentioned jpg.



You may not have to do this but to convert all your photos from obsolete files because applications can’t be bothered to code for it anymore is a mistake you only make once.

*Edited for spelling.
 
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Fat_Guy

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One other thing, when I have to search out an old photo and just see NEF - I just curse under my breath. Yes, I used to be a Nikon guy from the F4 and up…
 

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I find the Halide 48MP HEIC/JPG to be so much better than the 12MP Camera app, massively so. I really want apple to add a similar feature.
 

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I find the Halide 48MP HEIC/JPG to be so much better than the 12MP Camera app, massively so. I really want apple to add a similar feature.
I find that the 48MP files have more detail that the 12MP, and I like RAW files so I can retrieve better Highlight and Shadow detail. The problem of course is the huge raw file sizes.

The 48 MP Halide HEIC files the high level of detail, but not the enhanced Highlight and Shadow detail. Th files sizes are very managable though.

To get the best of both worlds, I am now using a tip I get here on MacRumors. I shoot Raw 48MP with the Apple app, then do my edits, then run a shortcut that converts the file to HEIC. This achieves my goals of having the high detail, and ability to retrieve high level of highlight and shadow detail.

Right now, I only use Halide for Macros, since Halide will use the Main camera lens at 48MP if you want, instead of always switching to the Ultrawide lens at 12MP. I find this provides more detail.
 

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I find that the 48MP files have more detail that the 12MP, and I like RAW files so I can retrieve better Highlight and Shadow detail. The problem of course is the huge raw file sizes.

The 48 MP Halide HEIC files the high level of detail, but not the enhanced Highlight and Shadow detail. Th files sizes are very managable though.

To get the best of both worlds, I am now using a tip I get here on MacRumors. I shoot Raw 48MP with the Apple app, then do my edits, then run a shortcut that converts the file to HEIC. This achieves my goals of having the high detail, and ability to retrieve high level of highlight and shadow detail.

Right now, I only use Halide for Macros, since Halide will use the Main camera lens at 48MP if you want, instead of always switching to the Ultrawide lens at 12MP. I find this provides more detail.
Can you share where that shortcut is posted? Thank you!
 

revs

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I have the shortcut, but find myself using Halide still.

If I think it might be a “good” shot then I’ll probably take RAW and process.
 
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Rocko99991

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When I want 48MP I use ProRaw, run a shortcut that finds raw files in my gallery, converts them to jpeg. That way I have a 48MP jpeg taken with stock camera app with high quality and low size.
Can you explain how I can create that same shortcut?
 

ITsamsamsam

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update: in auto mode and in low light conditions (no night mode) the photos of the app in stock look significantly better than those taken with Halide in 48 mega pixels (without pixel dimming)





It is interesting to note that the app in stock has decided to set ISO at 1000 and shutter speed 1/32 while Halide iso 800 and shutter speed 1/25
 
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