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To my knowledge, this is the first time the Telephoto Lens of the iPhone X has been reported as 52 mm ... it's good to see Details starting to leak out on the X.

 
Lol at a photographer calling a phone unwieldy!

Also, he said he was excited about the camera when switching from Blackberry to the original iPhone. The cameras in early iPhones were really bad and I remember thinking so at the time. As a photographer all he needed was a tiny, pocketable, point ‘n’ shoot if he needed a small camera and he would’ve got vastly superior results.
 
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Also, he said he was excited about the camera when switching from Blackberry to the original iPhone.
He said it was the most exiting phone upgrade since upgrading from the BlackBerry to the iPhone. He mentioned nothing about either device's camera.

From the article, "For me, I think it’s safe to say this upgrade to iPhone X is the most exciting phone upgrade I’ve experienced since switching from my Blackberry 7230 to the original iPhone in 2007."
 
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Surprised they didn’t complain about the pretty severe lensflare though. I hoped that would have been fixed with this iteration of the iPhone. The fake sapphire (combined with layers of glass) is probably the reason for it.
DXO missed the diabolical lens flare of the pixel last year, and still gave it top marks. The outer element on that camera was flush with the back glass on that device, so any bright lights that shined on the glass caused massive lens flare.

Lost all of respect for DXO on that, since it was never mentioned, despite being visible on many sample images.

That said, I haven’t experienced any significant flare on either my X or pixel 2 yet.
 
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"Previous Plus models, he says, have been "a bit unwieldy" and tough to operate"

I'm shocked a photographer, used to hefty DSLRs and their lenses would ever complain about a phone being "unwieldy".

Actually, I find it easier to shoot one-handed with a 5DMK IV than the a Plus… the DSLR is designed for it and has a nice grip… the Plus models could be dropped when shooting with one hand cause not a ton to grab on to.
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Just sold my Hasselblad and Phase One cameras!
:) keep the hasselblad! everything has it's place.
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Okay I read his review of the X - that is one major kiss ass effort on his behalf . Amazing he could not find any faults
Might try reading again, I did encounter some issues but definitely my favorite iPhone in a long time.
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Lol at a photographer calling a phone unwieldy!

Also, he said he was excited about the camera when switching from Blackberry to the original iPhone. The cameras in early iPhones were really bad and I remember thinking so at the time. As a photographer all he needed was a tiny, pocketable, point ‘n’ shoot if he needed a small camera and he would’ve got vastly superior results.
I actually didn't even think I would use the camera in the original iPhone, thought it was kind of silly! Ha.
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Speaking for myself, I'm more comfortable handling a dedicated SLR-style-body camera than I am any of the iPhones I've owned for photography—at least for activities beyond general shooting. As someone already mentioned, there's something to be said for a device built, in terms of ergonomics and function, for a specific purpose, even if significantly heavier. The most obvious example which comes to mind is working unusual angles with a proper camera, with relevant settings mapped to intelligently placed buttons and dials, and supports like a strap, vs doing the same with an iPhone using volume buttons or a touchscreen to shoot).

Compared to the Canons and Nikons I've used before and the Olympus I use now (building on the same basic SLR-style body and ergonomics) I still feel like my iPhone X (and prior smartphones) are relatively 'unwieldy' for photography. But the iPhone is at least always with me. Not to dismiss it, though: I'm excited for it's potential in terms of photography, and impressed as hell about how it intelligently handles problems like a scene with wide dynamic range. I wish traditional camera makers would develop more resources into further developing such software capabilities (hell, I'd be happy just to see material progress in image sharing).

I'm with you! Holding a camera is far more ergonomic.
 
Hmm, I was under the impression that the Pixel 2 takes better photos than the iPhone X. :rolleyes:
 
"Previous Plus models, he says, have been "a bit unwieldy" and tough to operate"

I'm shocked a photographer, used to hefty DSLRs and their lenses would ever complain about a phone being "unwieldy".

DSLRs can be large and heavy but they typically have ergonomic grips that make holding and using them very comfortable. The plus sized iPhones have always been ackward when turned sideways shooting photos etc.
 
Man, if I return my X Along with AppleCare I can buy a Leica lens....... ;)
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I'm sure you would write a review of pros/cons. If you read his reviews.... seems very biased to me, and even worse, whatever is the newest is the greatest....

For reference, you might be interested in my iPhone 8 Plus review (my recommendation was to wait for X and I mentioned a few challenges I had with it.) http://austinmann.com/trek/iphone-8-camera-review-india

I really love the X and think it's the best iPhone in a long time.
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Man, if I return my X Along with AppleCare I can buy a Leica lens....... ;)
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I'm sure you would write a review of pros/cons. If you read his reviews.... seems very biased to me, and even worse, whatever is the newest is the greatest....

For reference, you might be interested in my iPhone 8 Plus review (my recommendation was to wait for X and I mentioned a few challenges I had with it.) http://austinmann.com/trek/iphone-8-camera-review-india

I really love the X and think it's the best iPhone in a long time.
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Damn, I just bought an 800$ lens, I could have added a few more hundred and saved the hassle to carry a D-SLR... oh, wait, I might buy this guy's one, I am sure he'll get rid of his one once he got a (probably free) iPhoneX ;-)
HA! Please don't rid yourself of your DSLR -- there's a place for both :)
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Hmm, I was under the impression that the Pixel 2 takes better photos than the iPhone X. :rolleyes:
I haven't gotten to play with it yet, but DxO scores are way up there… excited to see it soon.
 
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Can we all just take a second to mention that he wrote the words 'can let light in more quickly' - ummm... heres a tip for you. the Aperture has NO effect on the speed of light.
 
Any photo in a 4X6 format shot on a phone will look OK in that format, you are cramming 10 pounds of crap into a 3 pound jar. The day they start shooting images that can be blown up to poster size without degradation will be the day I switch. The picture itself is as good as the photographer, composition, lighting, etc.... the image on paper cannot be compared to my D3X when it needs to be poster size and sharp. These camera's are for selfies and recording moments in time and they do that job quite well.
 
Looking at those photos on a 15" screen really showed how bad the camera actually is compared to professional cameras. Just take a look at that bike photo in full screen.

Expecting big lens performance without a big lens is unrealistic. Having said that, with lens limitations, the iPhone camera is pretty amazing for what it is.
 
Pretty much the same cameras as iPhone 8 Plus so it's surprising to see a score difference.
 
Any photo in a 4X6 format shot on a phone will look OK in that format, you are cramming 10 pounds of crap into a 3 pound jar. The day they start shooting images that can be blown up to poster size without degradation will be the day I switch. The picture itself is as good as the photographer, composition, lighting, etc.... the image on paper cannot be compared to my D3X when it needs to be poster size and sharp. These camera's are for selfies and recording moments in time and they do that job quite well.

True. As long as the lighting is good. The lack of support for flash triggers is also a huge drawback unless you've got ideal lighting. Even a mix of more than one of daylight, fluorescent, led, incandescent make a mess of the colours. As does the horrid CRI on most fluorescents and lightbulb-grade LEDs.
 
And yet every picture I ever take since the iPhone 6 looks like a watercolor painting with crazy noise artifacts everywhere no matter how bright the light is.
 
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The same procedure as every year - some days after iPhone release, the latest iPhone camera was proven by a photographer as the best one...

Same shill of a photographer every time. The similar threads section at the bottom is just filled with year after year of this guy's gushing praise for iPhone.

Now he's saying how the old plus models are unwieldy. Before the X came out, he loved them.

Heres his iPhone 6s review. He loves the plus for the OIS on stills and videos; it's a game changer for video.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/austin-mann-6s-camera-review.1929647/

I would love to know how much Apple pays him for his "reviews". It can't be too much considering there's nothing on his site but gushing iPhone praise. So it's not like he has any cred to splash on Apple.
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Hmm, I was under the impression that the Pixel 2 takes better photos than the iPhone X. :rolleyes:

Maybe. Maybe the iPhone X is better. All we know for sure is Austin Mann can't be trusted.
 
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Maybe, but who cares.

Exactly. Compelling photographs come not from cameras, but from the photographer's imagination, curiosity, life experiences, understanding light, the ability to compose, selectively reveal or hide information, and on and on.

Camera differences are pretty much mice nuts with respect to making strong photographs.
 
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For reference, you might be interested in my iPhone 8 Plus review (my recommendation was to wait for X and I mentioned a few challenges I had with it.) http://austinmann.com/trek/iphone-8-camera-review-india

I really love the X and think it's the best iPhone in a long time.
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For reference, you might be interested in my iPhone 8 Plus review (my recommendation was to wait for X and I mentioned a few challenges I had with it.) http://austinmann.com/trek/iphone-8-camera-review-india

I really love the X and think it's the best iPhone in a long time.
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HA! Please don't rid yourself of your DSLR -- there's a place for both :)
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I haven't gotten to play with it yet, but DxO scores are way up there… excited to see it soon.

Hey mate. I'm really happy you like your iPhone X . I've read the iPhone 8 review, And I agree. Though for the X it's it's pros / Cons, sorry but it really feels like an unfinished product for me.... and I have to admit the price is killing me, as I like my photography and £1350 gets me a nice lens .... sorry to be harsh on you, I just find it not to be so all awesome.... I guess I'm calculating value in the equation , and this is from someone that has always bought the top spec each year .
 
And yet every picture I ever take since the iPhone 6 looks like a watercolor painting with crazy noise artifacts everywhere no matter how bright the light is.

Have you tried the current generation of iPhones? Same issues? Just wondering.

We're three generations past the iPhone 6 and its camera:

iPhone 6
iPhone 6S
iPhone 7
iPhone 8/X


I would hope iPhone cameras would be at least a little better now...
 
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"Mann loved the size of the iPhone X as a photography device"

Good for him.

As Olympus Ambassador and National Geographic Photographer, I completely disagree.

Every single iPhone beginning with 6 was simply too big to hold it right and take pictures.

I tried it with 6, 6s, 7, 8 and X.

You cannot use them outdoor, you always need to take care how you hold them, how you press the button to not let it fall down. The form factor is simply ridiculous, its extremely slippery.

As for Plus versions, I dont even want to talk about them. Totally crazy phablets for people who should better buy iPad Mini or something else.

I sold each of those iPhones and returned to 5s and later to SE.

SE has a perfect form factor for better holding and taking photos.

Everything else is just crazy big.
 
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Looking at those photos on a 15" screen really showed how bad the camera actually is compared to professional cameras. Just take a look at that bike photo in full screen.

You can tell how good smartphone cameras are and how much cameras on a phone have been evolved over the last 10 years when people start comparing them to several thousands of £ professional cameras, expecting same results.
 
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Speaking for myself, I'm more comfortable handling a dedicated SLR-style-body camera than I am any of the iPhones I've owned for photography—at least for activities beyond general shooting. As someone already mentioned, there's something to be said for a device built, in terms of ergonomics and function, for a specific purpose, even if significantly heavier. The most obvious example which comes to mind is working unusual angles with a proper camera, with relevant settings mapped to intelligently placed buttons and dials, and supports like a strap, vs doing the same with an iPhone using volume buttons or a touchscreen to shoot).

Compared to the Canons and Nikons I've used before and the Olympus I use now (building on the same basic SLR-style body and ergonomics) I still feel like my iPhone X (and prior smartphones) are relatively 'unwieldy' for photography. But the iPhone is at least always with me. Not to dismiss it, though: I'm excited for it's potential in terms of photography, and thoroughly impressed by its intelligent handling of problems like a scene with wide dynamic range. I wish traditional camera makers would put more resources into further developing such software capabilities (hell, I'd be happy just to see material progress in image sharing).

Glad to see another Olympus user here :rolleyes:
 
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"Previous Plus models, he says, have been "a bit unwieldy" and tough to operate"

I'm shocked a photographer, used to hefty DSLRs and their lenses would ever complain about a phone being "unwieldy".

You hold a DSLR in a very different way. If you ask a professional photographer he'll probably tell you he is more comfortable shooting with a big DSLR rather than a smaller point-to-shoot camera.

I'm just an amateur, but I can tell you I prefer to shoot on my DSLR than on my 8+, since the shutter is right where it needs to be, and I can hold the camera still while taking a picture. With iPhone I can either press the touch button on the display or use a physical button, but I find it hard to have a good grip, especially if the iPhone is without a case.

Of course if we talk about carrying the device with you a DSLR is way bigger, so I'd say it is unwieldy and that's the reason why 90% of my pictures are taken with an iPhone. But if I specifically go out to take a bunch of pictures, DSLR is the best choice I have.
And I like my iPhone 8+, I bought a phone that big because I work with it and really need a bigger display, but for taking pictures an SE is way more easy and convenient to use, as it is tiny and has squared corners that give you a good grip.
 
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