Photos - Events removed wrecks organisation

Discussion in 'OS X Yosemite (10.10)' started by Vanoord, Mar 4, 2015.

  1. Vanoord macrumors newbie


    Aug 19, 2014
    Installed it yesterday and regretted it pretty quickly.

    My main bugbear is that it seems to have been dumbed-down, even compared to iPhoto. It feels like an iOS application that's been adapted to OS X - which indeed it is.

    The primary issue I have is that it's made it very difficult to organise my own photographs - something it tries to do for me, but fails.

    I used to organise all photos using Events.

    Events might have been an occasion (for example "Skiing Holiday Feb '15"), a work-related event (for example "Work Photos '15") and then everything else into chronological groups (for example "Oct - Mar '14").

    This has all gone out of the window, effectively replaced by 'Years' > 'Collections' > 'Moments'.

    All well and good, except that I - the user - have no control over either how photographs are grouped in Moments / Collections or over how they're named.

    Take for example a day when I use my iPhone camera as well as my digital camera - I take a couple of photos in the morning, I drive somewhere and go for a long walk, then go somewhere for a meal and return home.

    'Moments' will merrily split these photographs into several different groups, depending where I was and what device I used to take the photographs. In fact, even on a single walk, it may decide I've changed location sufficiently for it to be considered a different 'moment'.

    The bit that's really infuriating is that I don't have the ability to merge 'Moments' myself to rectify this - the assumption seems to be that the basic AI built into Photos is better than me at deciding how I want to organise my photographs.

    Well, it isn't.

    Similarly, I've also lost the ability to name an Event now that it's become a 'Moment' or a 'Collection' - rather than "Walk up Snowdon", I've got some generic name that may well be the number of the closest road or, worse still, a geographic description that's incorrect (I've already seen images relocated 20+ miles from where they were actually taken).

    It is, quite frankly, ridiculous that the user has no control of how photographs are organised in 'Moments' or 'Collections' - and to my mind makes the application essentially unusable with anything other than a handful of photographs (the library I imported has 7,500 photographs).

    Okay, I could use albums (and indeed all previous iPhoto Events are imported as albums).

    The problem here is that albums don't do the same thing as Events used to:
    - It's all too easy to overlook moving some images over from 'Moments'
    - There's no way of telling whether an image is in an album without checking that album
    - There's no way of simply listing 'orphaned' photographs
    - There's no way of moving images from one album to another

    Basically, Albums are merely a way of organising duplicates of selected images - they're not a means of organising the primary collection of images.

    The changes in the way that Photos handles the organisation of photographs moves away from allowing the user to organise images into Events and changes it to an arbitrary series of 'Moments' which can be illogical and do not allow user editing.

    Unless user editing of Moments and Collections (both naming and moving photographs) is introduced, I don't see how Photos can be used to organise a decent-sized library of photographs.
  2. maflynn Moderator


    Staff Member

    May 3, 2009
    To put it succinctly, the DAM/organizational features of Photos is inadequate.

    If I cannot organize the images the way I want to, then that's not the tool for me (and its not).
  3. matamoris macrumors regular

    Sep 3, 2011
  4. mjdindc macrumors newbie

    Mar 2, 2015
    I agree. I liked the way that iPhoto (an most other photo apps) imported and created an event based on the folder name. By keeping pics in folders/events, this gave me a way to double check where everything was. I frequently share a large number of photos with friends by either putting them on a thumb drive or uploading to a "real" sharing site. Both are hard to do without folders/events. Maybe they will improve on the "export" function and get some plugins to upload to sites other than Flickr.

    I like much about the app, but I think its just restricted in the way it lets you use your pics. And please, let me remove all the drops down and links to creating projects!!
  5. MCSN macrumors regular


    Feb 7, 2012
    Speaking of Dumbed Down

    They have totally gutted facial recognition to the point of uselessness.

    Which is really a rebuff to to the entire professional and amateur cornerstone of the online content producers of the world wide web.

    Facial recognition technology is being exempted from consumers while employed by and for social media corporations. Apple has left consumers to the curb by eviscerating this feature of iPhoto, and other apps. I mean why is faces even there at all, except as a meaningless label or keyword tool for your address book?

    Surely with all the cat stars of the internet we could have exceeded our industry standards to include face cat, or cat facial recognition by now.

    We are being held back from progress and cats are being held back from stardom.
  6. KALLT macrumors 601

    Sep 23, 2008
    You can create a smart album with the rule: [Album] [is not] [any] to see orphaned images.

    To add a picture to another album, you have to use the [+] button, select album and just remove the picture by pressing the delete key. Alternatively, enable the sidebar (View > Show Sidebar), it makes it a lot easier to drag pictures from album to album.

    That really sums it all up, I posted something similar in another thread yesterday.
  7. JWorld127 macrumors 6502


    Jan 12, 2013
    I think unless there is a major overhaul or fix for the new iphoto its safe to say Apple failed on this one. Unless they do this on purpose so they can address it and come in "as the heroes" like they did with the ios version.
  8. Vanoord thread starter macrumors newbie


    Aug 19, 2014
    Cheers, although the Smart Album doesn't consider the previous iPhoto Events to be albums, so it doesn't include any of the images which I have in there. All 7,500 of them...

    The thing is, I don't particularly want to work with albums - I want to be able to arrange which photographs go in which 'Moments'.

    As it is, if I take a photograph on my iPhone and one on my DSLR of the same thing 30 seconds apart, Photos considers them to be two different 'moments' and I can not combine them.

    That's a terrible bit of programming.
  9. xgman macrumors 601


    Aug 6, 2007
    I'm not really sure what the purpose of Photos app is, but for me it is not much different than just browsing your photos in Finder. I don't know what they were going for here. Maybe just to look like the ios app. So Apple is just out of the Photos game. We move on...
  10. Vanoord thread starter macrumors newbie


    Aug 19, 2014
    At least in Finder you can move your photographs between folders!

    I'd agree about not being sure what the purpose of Photos is going to be - from an organisational point of view, it's a downgrade from iPhoto, not the upgrade it was trailed as.

    Okay, the editing tools are improved - but as a means of storing and arranging a library of photographs, it's nowhere near as useful.
  11. KALLT macrumors 601

    Sep 23, 2008
    Works for me though. Just ordinary albums, collated in a folder.
  12. newagemac macrumors 68020

    Mar 31, 2010
    First of all, every single point you mentioned can easily be handled with "Smart Albums". There is no loss of functionality. Secondly, Photos doesn't "duplicate" a photo in an Album. It's more like a tag or label. In fact, the way "Albums" works now is much like how "Events" used to work. And since you can use Smart Albums to organize any way you want, there simply is no need for a separate and confusing Events and Albums.

    Simply put, the organizational tools are vastly better than what iPhoto had. And at the same time it's now more intuitive as well.

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