Picked up an 27" Cinema Display from the Apple Store today

bluesteel said:
that 30" NEC is a spectacular monitor. we have two MultiSync LCD2690W2's and they are the best monitors i've used to date. i loved my 30" cinema displays, but the color reproduction of the NEC's is outstanding.
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Yeah, the NEC's looked to offer the best image I could justify spending my money on, the top end EZIO's are a bit better but are north of $5K and I can't justify that... if I were shooting a bunch of commercial stuff where color was hyper critical or doing pre-press stuff that would be different... the NEC's definitely seem better than Apple's displays though, but they should be for what they are charging.


bluesteel said:
you know, i've had really good luck in the past with apple products in particular. i can't help it, but i've noticed a trend with them in particular, in that as they have grown in the past 3-5 years, that they seem to have more product defects that should be caught before production
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I don't think it's just Apple that's let it's quality slip, and I don't think it's a total accident either.

Lots of companies (even well regarded high tech firms) have done a lot of "Value Engineering" looking to shave the unit costs down and the profits higher in the past few years. The first real good clue from Apple on this is when they were using the TN displays in their MacBookPro's and the iMac's and getting busted for it, and now with the newer Mac Pro's the components that go in those machines costs less but the hardware costs more than ever... clearly Apple is more 'profit' focused that most, but at that premium price one should expect near perfection but sadly that's not what most folks get.

... it's funny I've even seen the 'value engineering' happen with high end rackmount HP servers, that now ship with plastic rails to mount the server, and out of the box failure rates that make them look like a Best Buy special. Both crazy and sad as a few years back the same series model of server one would rarely have hardware issues and everything was built all bulletproof like.
 
fensterbme said:
I don't think it's just Apple that's let it's quality slip, and I don't think it's a total accident either.

Lots of companies (even well regarded high tech firms) have done a lot of "Value Engineering" looking to shave the unit costs down and the profits higher in the past few years. The first real good clue from Apple on this is when they were using the TN displays in their MacBookPro's and the iMac's and getting busted for it, and now with the newer Mac Pro's the components that go in those machines costs less but the hardware costs more than ever... clearly Apple is more 'profit' focused that most, but at that premium price one should expect near perfection but sadly that's not what most folks get.

... it's funny I've even seen the 'value engineering' happen with high end rackmount HP servers, that now ship with plastic rails to mount the server, and out of the box failure rates that make them look like a Best Buy special. Both crazy and sad as a few years back the same series model of server one would rarely have hardware issues and everything was built all bulletproof like.
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you make a great deal of sense here. these are things that lots of us either forget, ignore, or don't seem to realize :)
 
agreed

For my home desktop I love my 23" Apple cinema display, Ive had it for years and its much better than any of the monitors I've seen in retail stores ( ugly shiny TN flat panels with horrible color)

At work I have my lovely NEC LCD3090WQXi-BK its ugly as sin but damn is it a good monitor
 
And I sympathize but don't feel your pain.

Of all the PowerBooks, Macbook Pro's, Cinema Displays, iPods, iPhones... I've yet to encounter any problems whatsoever.

Did Apple's support recommend that you swap the 27 for the USB issues? It wouldn't seem that the USB setup should be changed from the 24".
 
@bluesteel

Sounds familiar. It could be coincidence, but it looks like since Apple switched to Intel circuit designs, every new Mac product shows a lot more hardware issues.
The alu-keyboard of my MacPro 2008 also had USB problems. Not working directly at startup or after a few minutes. A few weeks of testing, calling Apple, replacing stuff, it turned out the combination of the alu-keyboard, logitech mouse connected to the left USB port (keyboard) and the MacPro. Actually, any USB powered device connected the right USB port causes the keyboard and its USB hub to die. Maybe the same happens with the new Apple display again? Crappy chips?
 
brentsg said:
Did Apple's support recommend that you swap the 27 for the USB issues? It wouldn't seem that the USB setup should be changed from the 24".
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i bought the only one in stock. didn't have the opportunity to swap it out for another one. for now, i'm keeping my money for a few months. gonna wait and see.
 
Bluesteel, I'm with you on this. About 75% of the apple products I've bought in the past 5 years have been defective one way or another. I've had everything from 2 mbp mobos to an incredible 7 replacement iPhones. In the previous 5 years I've only had one iBook go bad on me, and that was after it's 3rd year.

Still, I can only get OSX/iOS on a computer one way so I'll keep buying from Apple. :\
 
For those who have problems with apple gear you should really never buy the first generation of any new product. regardless of manufacturer. Especially when they're still ramping up produciotn

Wait 1-2 months then buy it. You much less likely to have a faulty unit as they learn how to build them better and faster.

The other thing thats really important i think is to always purchase apple care. Its always worked out for me. All you need is one logic board failure on one of the 4 laptops you bought to make it worth your wild. And It iwll happen.

We purchased 4 macbook pros in 07 wiht 3 year apple care and 2 mac pros with 23 ACD.

We got apple care on all of them

17 inch macbook pro isight failed and needed full screen replacemetn 2 years into the warranty. 8 months later it needed a logic board replacment.

Had 1 Apple cinema display replaced, 1 high end graphics card in mac pro replaced, and 2 mac book pro hard drive failures take care of under warranty.

Computers are not wiht out their issue but apple care is well worth its price. I never buy any apple computer with out.

I do the same with sony vaios we purchased. extended warranty. It always works in your favor with high end laptops.
 
The logitech mouse / keyboard usb problem

Thank you - I had figured out that the logitech mouse plugin was causing me problems with USB, but I hadn't heard it happening to anybody else. Nice to know I'm not crazy :).

Every few hours for the last few months all my usb ports would just die. Since I stopped using my logitech mouse, that no longer happens.
 
Mine is totally fine. No pixel issues, no color issues that I can see.

Strangely enough, the thing I love most about it is the aspect ratio. 16:9 is LEGIT. This is what I wish all of my monitors were like.

I know it's a preference thing, but I love it.
 
fensterbme said:
Yeah, the NEC's looked to offer the best image I could justify spending my money on, the top end EZIO's are a bit better but are north of $5K and I can't justify that... if I were shooting a bunch of commercial stuff where color was hyper critical or doing pre-press stuff that would be different... the NEC's definitely seem better than Apple's displays though, but they should be for what they are charging.




I don't think it's just Apple that's let it's quality slip, and I don't think it's a total accident either.

Lots of companies (even well regarded high tech firms) have done a lot of "Value Engineering" looking to shave the unit costs down and the profits higher in the past few years. The first real good clue from Apple on this is when they were using the TN displays in their MacBookPro's and the iMac's and getting busted for it, and now with the newer Mac Pro's the components that go in those machines costs less but the hardware costs more than ever... clearly Apple is more 'profit' focused that most, but at that premium price one should expect near perfection but sadly that's not what most folks get.

... it's funny I've even seen the 'value engineering' happen with high end rackmount HP servers, that now ship with plastic rails to mount the server, and out of the box failure rates that make them look like a Best Buy special. Both crazy and sad as a few years back the same series model of server one would rarely have hardware issues and everything was built all bulletproof like.
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To help solve the qt issue, Apple needs better dialog with it's suppliers.
 
cable lengths

So I understand that the MDP,MagSafe,USB cable length is about 36"....But what is the length of the power cable?

Thanks for the help.
 
Just measured them as we unboxed our new ACD. The power cable is 6 feet long. The mag safe, USB, MDP cable assembly is 48 inches as previously stated.
 
I noticed also that the Extension cables sold by Monoprice do not carry audio.

So if you want to use the MDP for audio you should wait for them to update their cable selection.
 
Cynicalone said:
I noticed also that the Extension cables sold by Monoprice do not carry audio.

So if you want to use the MDP for audio you should wait for them to update their cable selection.
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The Dr. Bott extensions seem to support audio. I just emailed them and they confirmed (claimed?) that it works.
 
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