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iPod Pictures of New iPod
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Lacero said:The Xwheel looks like it's going to hurt to use. The green color reminds me of limewire, not a good thing when it comes to music.
For me the X has always made me think "Come and fill Microsoft's pockets by blindly purchasing our products, and we'll devour your soul! Mwa-ha-ha-ha!"
But that's just me.
Mike Teezie said:
Sure I am. I love Windows. I didn't realize how good it was until I tried other operating systems.
On the subject of Microsoft hardware though. Their mice and great. First for optical technology. Their joysticks are top notch. Why whould they not be able to make a better ipod?
noaccess said:No offense, but then... why did you register on a mac site
I wanted to know about the new ipod. To each his own. I'm not trying to start a flame war at all. You like the Mac, great. Every thing has its pro's and cons.
But I do know their hardware is great. I know several Mac people that swear by the MS mice. They do have the money and the muscle to make a good MP3 player if they wanted to. It would be nice to see all predjuce aside.
I mean the MS vs. Apple is a battle that has no winner. So I don't want to fight. Especially here. There is no point.
They just don't have the R&D power to come up with anything original.Betateam said:
Hey, we're all adults here (well, most of us). We can have a nice healthy debate without it turning into an argument, right?
So, what is it about Windows that you like better than OS X?
So does Sony, Philips, Toshiba ... and they all keep trying to take on the iPod and failing.Betateam said:
Why haven't any of them been successful in developing a true iPod killer?
I know what I think about it. What are your thoughts?
Personally I swear by Logitech for mice on every box I have. The one thing MS seems to have going for them today in hardware is the smartphone platform, and that seems to be where they are investing the most time and effort. WinCE is finally maturing into something useful. Having owned both a WinCE 1.0 H/PC and a Palm based Sony Clie, I can tell you which one was better. The Clie.
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Stampyhead said:
Yes. I would like to have an healthy discussion. No need for name calling or "Your stupid X is better than Y".
Well first I would say familiarity. When I've tried to do certain tasks, such as install a printer, it would take a few clicks in Windows, took me a while to figure out in OS X.
The file system seems easier to explore in Windows. I can easily find the files and documents I need.
There are tons more programs available for Windows. I like to do 3D animation. I have not seen a good program for the Apple platform. But just basic programs, you have many more options to choose from with Windows.
What applications does OS X have that is no available on the PC? I know a bunch of Adobe products used to be Mac only, but most of the big good programs are dual now. What MAJOR programs are exclusivly OS X?
I do like the OS X where the program is all self contained in one folder. No DLL's and other scattered mess around.
While Windows is no picnic, but driver and hardware support seems to work a lot better. They don't end of life stuff so quickly.
I'm sure I can think of more topics. Again most of these might be to my lack of knowledge about OS X. So if I'm wrong please enlighten me.
I'm actually seriously thinking about getting a MiniMac just to see if I like it.
Actually, IMHO Microsoft R is top notch. http://research.microsoft.com/. It's the D that is lacking. By the time a product is released it is so diluted from the original idea...Stampyhead said:
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Have you ever plugged a camera into a Windows machine for the first time, and had included-in-the-operating-system software recognize it immediately?
Or made a song with software that came with Windows?
Or cut a movie, then burned it to a DVD?
All without having to install any drivers or 3rd party software?
Yes, I'm talking about the iLife apps. I think it's one of the things that set us so far apart from our Windows counterparts. And, OS X is built on UNIX. That's a nice thing to be able to say.
As other people mentioned, I feel that Microsoft could spend every penny they have in their mega-vaults trying to come up with something as elegant as the iPod. Short of stealing away Jonathon Ive and his team, plus Apple's engineers - it would never, ever happen.
I have no problems with Microsoft. I'm just biased towards good design and functionality.
I'm not going to come take your Windows away from you, obviously. If you like it, great.
Or made a song with software that came with Windows?
Or cut a movie, then burned it to a DVD?
All without having to install any drivers or 3rd party software?
Yes, I'm talking about the iLife apps. I think it's one of the things that set us so far apart from our Windows counterparts. And, OS X is built on UNIX. That's a nice thing to be able to say.
As other people mentioned, I feel that Microsoft could spend every penny they have in their mega-vaults trying to come up with something as elegant as the iPod. Short of stealing away Jonathon Ive and his team, plus Apple's engineers - it would never, ever happen.
I have no problems with Microsoft. I'm just biased towards good design and functionality.
I'm not going to come take your Windows away from you, obviously. If you like it, great.
balamw said:
Honestly I do not know. The Ipod is a solid product. It is plain, simple and very user friendly. That is why I'm buying my second one.
But as a consumer I'd love to see a product that was good enough to compete with the Ipod. Apple has very good marketing skills and design team.
I just think MS could do it. Look at the Xbox and the Playstation. Both were players that jumped in to the scene late. Sega is gone and Nintendo is struggling with their consoles. MS has the potential to make an "ipod killer" and I would like to see it.
Mike Teezie said:
Yes. A couple years ago this is. I got some crappy digital camera that came free with a printer. Never installed any software. My Nokia camera phone, none. I just got a nice Kodak camera. Never installed software. Worked seconds after I plugged it in.
Mike Teezie said:
No, but Windows isn't designed that way. There are some great 3rd party apps to automate and do all this. While it wasn't software preloaded, it does a superb job and it does it efficiently
Mike Teezie said:
Agreed
Mike Teezie said:
I think Apple products look good, but I think using them is clunky. It is counter-intuitive from what I'm used to.
That's the main point, it comes down to what you're used to, and how your expectations have been set by training and experience.Betateam said:
Most people will be able to handle an iPod without any instruction or experiance and just "get" it. My wife for example. She never figured out my Rio S30, but she "got" her iPod mini out of the box.
There are many good things about XP, but intuitiveness is not one of them.
I think this is one of the main reasons iPod killers have not been successful. Clunky counter-intuitive UIs and creeping featuritis. Someday soon smartphones (probably Windows powered) will probably eclipse dedicated music players, but not until they are as convenient and (relatively) inexpensive. I don't want to be carrying a $600+ smartphone all the time, when I can just leave my $300 iPod at home if I don't want to carry it at that time.
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balamw said:
I agree, it is mostly what you are used to.
And I'd like to make a small correction. Yes the Ipod is VERY intuitive. When I got my first one someone said don't read the instructions, just use it. And it worked exactly as one would think it would.
Betateam said:
Get that Mac mini and enjoy the power of Spotlight. Finding documents instantly, no matter where you put them. Vista will have something like this, but will it work as flawlessly? We'll have to wait and see.
Betateam said:
I think you'll find that there are very few tasks you can't find a Mac app for. Sure, there may be tons of Windows apps doing the same thing, but most of them are rubbish. The only important comparison IMO is which platform has the single best app for the task at hand. More often than not, this is OS X (again, IMO). Examples are the iLife apps, obviously, but also apps like Delicious Library, Super Duper, MacTheRipper etc.
Betateam said:
All the Apple pro apps: Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, Motion, Soundtrack, Logic, Shake (also available for Linux), Aperture.
Betateam said:
That's a good idea. If you don't like it, you won't lose much if you sell on ebay.