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[hcuar]

In defense of Micr... Oh my god... Can't believe I'm doing this... If they bundled software like Apple, the antitrust people would be howling like a dog in heat. (Or something like that) I'm a major Apple fan, and love the bundling. So... go for it Apple.

 

[Chundles]

When you say you needed to click to install a printer what do you mean? Didn't it just load and start when you plugged it in? Mine did. I plugged it in, the computer buzzed and clicked and whirred for a few seconds, I opened Office, made a test page, clicked print and it printed.

I never had to "set up" my printer.

As for 3D animation apps on Mac, what about Maya, I hear it's pretty good. There are quite a few of them out there.

Whilst I respect your liking of Windows I will voice my opinion that I find it to be very counterintuitive, CD's not mounting on the desktop is an annoyance of mine, as is the way XP handles burning. Because the CD doesn't mount to the desktop you have to search around for the CD folder, I'm just used to click-drag-click CD burning.

Windows handles network browsing much better, I hate having to mount each folder onto the desktop just to browse shared folders on Windows machines on the network, I did like being able to just browse them as if they were folders on my own computer without having to worry about mounting and unmounting. It would also be nice if OS X would display shared printers and devices on networked machines to save me from hunting around for them in print setup. Maybe an option to just drag the icon of the shared printer to the desktop to allow use would be a good new 10.5 feature.

I just enjoy the integrated, slick OS X experience far more than the disjointed and frustrating time I have when using Windows.

 

[Stampyhead]

Well first I would say familiarity. When I've tried to do certain tasks, such as install a printer, it would take a few clicks in Windows, took me a while to figure out in OS X.

I guess familiarity is the key here, because my experience is the exact opposite. Installing a printer on Windows was always a huge headache for me. I would always take longer than I felt it needed to. Installing a printer on OS X, however, is quick and painless. OS X ships with most of the popular printer drivers already installed, so you basically plug your printer in, the Printer Utility finds it and matches it with its utility, and then you're ready to start printing. In the event that there is not a print driver available for the Mac for a particular printer (such was the case with a Dell branded laser printer I had for a while) the printer utility assigns it to a generic print driver, which works beautifully in most cases.

There are tons more programs available for Windows.

This is actually a huge pet peeve of mine, people claiming that Windows is better than the Mac OS because there are more applications available for Windows (I'm not accusing you of this, I'm just saying in general). The fact of the matter is that Windows currently still owns about 95% of the market share (it used to be even more), so obviously most developers are going to create programs for the computers that most people use. If those applications were created for Mac as well then they would run just as well as they do on Windows. The limitation is not on the operating system, but on the developers who write for it. As the Mac grows in popularity we are seeing more software created to run on it.

I like to do 3D animation. I have not seen a good program for the Apple platform.

What about Maya? (www.alias.com) I don't know much about 3D animation software, but I believe Maya is used by many Hollywood animation studios, and it is available for OS X. They even have a free version you can download to get used to it and see if you like it before you drop several K on the full version.

 

[Betateam]

When you say you needed to click to install a printer what do you mean? Didn't it just load and start when you plugged it in? Mine did. I plugged it in, the computer buzzed and clicked and whirred for a few seconds, I opened Office, made a test page, clicked print and it printed.

I never had to "set up" my printer.

Well it was a network printer. I knew the IP address and they type of printer it was, but had a hard time finding the right area to enter the needed information.

As for 3D animation apps on Mac, what about Maya, I hear it's pretty good. There are quite a few of them out there.

See there goes my ignorance. I did not know they made Maya for the Mac. Maya is about as good as they come. I use 3D Studio.

Whilst I respect your liking of Windows I will voice my opinion that I find it to be very counterintuitive, CD's not mounting on the desktop is an annoyance of mine, as is the way XP handles burning. Because the CD doesn't mount to the desktop you have to search around for the CD folder, I'm just used to click-drag-click CD burning.

I never use the Windows CD burning. And I think this is a difference. I rarley used the bundled apps that come with Windows. When using it though, I never seemed to have trouble. Just drag the files to the CD icon. It is not on your desktop, but it is very easy.

Windows handles network browsing much better, I hate having to mount each folder onto the desktop just to browse shared folders on Windows machines on the network, I did like being able to just browse them as if they were folders on my own computer without having to worry about mounting and unmounting.

In a corporate enviornment you can have a login script do it for you. Again it doesn't just appear on the desktop. It is in My Computer, but still very similar. XP does some of that anyway too. The automatic sharing of folders. I haven't had a need for it, so I haven't investigated it too much, but I've seen it auto created shared folders all the time.

I just enjoy the integrated, slick OS X experience far more than the disjointed and frustrating time I have when using Windows.

I feel the same way with OS X. Again I think it is just what you are used to. I pull my hair out sometimes trying to do simple tasks. With Windows I can Go to a command prompt and quickly finding a machines IP or MAC address. Maybe it is easy once you know what you are doing, but it took me several minutes to find that simple information on a Mac.

Please I'm not trying to bash anyone at all. I want to be more informed. That is what a forum is for. I think it is very nice we can talk and not kill eachother over something silly as our OS preference. So thanks.

 

[balamw]

In defense of Micr... Oh my god... Can't believe I'm doing this... If they bundled software like Apple, the antitrust people would be howling like a dog in heat. (Or something like that) I'm a major Apple fan, and love the bundling. So... go for it Apple.

Not really a fair comparison. Apple is both the OS and hardware vendor. Plus they do not have a majority share of the OS or hardware markets. Compare the Apple bundles to Dell's or HP's and you'll find they try to bundle about as much functionality as Apple does.

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[Chundles]

I feel the same way with OS X. Again I think it is just what you are used to. I pull my hair out sometimes trying to do simple tasks. With Windows I can Go to a command prompt and quickly finding a machines IP or MAC address. Maybe it is easy once you know what you are doing, but it took me several minutes to find that simple information on a Mac.

Please I'm not trying to bash anyone at all. I want to be more informed. That is what a forum is for. I think it is very nice we can talk and not kill eachother over something silly as our OS preference. So thanks.

You're right about the network printing, it's a pain.

However, all the networking information is available in the system profiler, no need to go into the terminal.

I think the difference here is that we all use the bundled apps so much because they are very good apps, powerful and simple and fully integrated into the OS.

 

[balamw]

With Windows I can Go to a command prompt and quickly finding a machines IP or MAC address. Maybe it is easy once you know what you are doing, but it took me several minutes to find that simple information on a Mac.

The Windows/DOS command prompt is one of the things I hate about Windows. As someone who cut his teeth in computers on various flavors of unix, CMD is a joke of a shell. I used to use 4DOS, but gave up on using custom shells. Monad will be better. bash is here on OS X and linux today.

BTW. XP's ipconfig is an embrace & extend of the standard unix ifconfig (interface configuration) as is the whole TCP/IP stack. 😉

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