Pictures of screen lines in Rev. B Macbook Air models?
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frifra
macrumors 6502a
@tubbymac
Your Picture shows nothing. Not a good screen nor a bad one.
I would recommend you to read the closed threads:
- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/594520/ (over 38.000 views, nearly 600 comments)
- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/612040/ (14.000 views, around 250 comments)
Especially in the first one are some good summaries:
- GOOD SUMMARY: https://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...&postcount=410
- Forum Summary https://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...&postcount=527
- latest news on how to fix the FLICKERING: https://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...&postcount=578
But as far as I am concerned there has been still no one who has seen the lines and has now got a replacement which is just fine. PLEASE CORRECT ME ON THAT, if I am WRONG. But there still seems to exist this problem.
Further, a lot of people who said in the first place, that there SCREEN IS FLAWLESS, later on (after 1 or 2 weeks) started to recognize the issue.
I still have not seen a single unit of an MBA Rev.B without the lines (or flickering). While the lines are a much bigger issue.
Anybody who at the moment is located in the north of Germany is welcome to contact me, and show me his FLAWLESS unit - I would love to see (and buy) one.
THANKS
Your Picture shows nothing. Not a good screen nor a bad one.
I would recommend you to read the closed threads:
- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/594520/ (over 38.000 views, nearly 600 comments)
- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/612040/ (14.000 views, around 250 comments)
Especially in the first one are some good summaries:
- GOOD SUMMARY: https://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...&postcount=410
- Forum Summary https://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...&postcount=527
- latest news on how to fix the FLICKERING: https://forums.macrumors.com/showpost...&postcount=578
But as far as I am concerned there has been still no one who has seen the lines and has now got a replacement which is just fine. PLEASE CORRECT ME ON THAT, if I am WRONG. But there still seems to exist this problem.
Further, a lot of people who said in the first place, that there SCREEN IS FLAWLESS, later on (after 1 or 2 weeks) started to recognize the issue.
I still have not seen a single unit of an MBA Rev.B without the lines (or flickering). While the lines are a much bigger issue.
Anybody who at the moment is located in the north of Germany is welcome to contact me, and show me his FLAWLESS unit - I would love to see (and buy) one.
THANKS
I received an MBA last Monday ( a week ago) that very much still had the problem.
Note they will always have this problem. Apple is not acknowledging it can be fixed and has said it is within their design specs. Waiting for it to be "fixed" is not worth doing (I already returned the computer and "moved on" to something else as a result).
I agree, I have seen several Air's at different retailers both 1.6 and 1.8 and so far they all have the 'line' issue to some extent. But bottom line is that the screens just doesn't seem as nice as the Rev A ones.
Plus I noticed that 1.6 (rev B) can not display HD content properly, you need the 1.8 SSD to do that, whether that is due to the .2 GHz increase or the SSD I cant tell but even though they both have the 9400 graphic card (same) there is definately more pixelation (blockiness) in the content of HD on the 1.6 which I dont see on the 1.8. The higher end version shows the same quality as the new MBP. So this means I need to spend $2400 to get decent graphics on the AIR which is almost twice compared to last gen MBP...
I am starting to lean toward last gen MBP with a semi glossy screen (glossy but not nearly as reflective as the new ones). Problem is I dont know if it will be as hot as my original MBP which had to be serviced by Apple due to heat issues initially.
I cant tell if the Penryn will be slightly cooler since I get such differing opions about it. But the screen and battery life is definately a plus with that one.
The deals are going fast so I need to decide soon and the AIR issue doesn't look like it wil be resolved anytime soon.
Do you all agree?
Plus I noticed that 1.6 (rev B) can not display HD content properly, you need the 1.8 SSD to do that, whether that is due to the .2 GHz increase or the SSD I cant tell but even though they both have the 9400 graphic card (same) there is definately more pixelation (blockiness) in the content of HD on the 1.6 which I dont see on the 1.8. The higher end version shows the same quality as the new MBP. So this means I need to spend $2400 to get decent graphics on the AIR which is almost twice compared to last gen MBP...
I am starting to lean toward last gen MBP with a semi glossy screen (glossy but not nearly as reflective as the new ones). Problem is I dont know if it will be as hot as my original MBP which had to be serviced by Apple due to heat issues initially.
I cant tell if the Penryn will be slightly cooler since I get such differing opions about it. But the screen and battery life is definately a plus with that one.
The deals are going fast so I need to decide soon and the AIR issue doesn't look like it wil be resolved anytime soon.
Do you all agree?
Could you fix the links ? They are all not working..
tubbymac
macrumors 65816
Well these aren't my pictures per say but my interpretation of other people's pictures. I don't think you'll accept anything until your condition is met. Until somebody reports seeing lines, gets a screen with lines, and then exchanges it for a machine without lines, you won't be convinced that a screen without lines even exists.
It's probably why these threads get locked eventually. The topic has been beaten to death and no amount of pictures will convince any of the entrenched camps to change their minds.
One camp believes that all screens have the lines and people just can't see them. Another camp believes since their machine is decent that MOST machines are good. Yet another camp believes that since most machines they've seen in person are bad MOST machines are bad. That's about all the summary you need. There's a bunch of entrenched camps of belief and a badly beaten dead horse.
Just so everybody has a reference for comparison, the pretty much flawless screen that I mentioned above can be found here. This was a shot taken by Ironic of his perfect rev B screen. This is the type of screen many of us are trying to find for ourselves.
Good pic. Shows what the screen should look like. However we don't know if that's a Macbook Air screen or not...
Did we ever find out what LCD his was? I think it might have been 9C98?
Mine has the lines and it's 9C9A...
I wonder if Apple would consider replacing the LCD with one from a Rev A.
mhnajjar
macrumors 6502a
I considered that option too since I noticed that the revAs on display have the lines also!!!
It is either that Apple is using the same screens on the lately produced revAs or is that the lines are caused due to some wiring fault!
I am sure my revA did not have the lines for sure.
frifra
macrumors 6502a
I am sorry for the last 3 links. But the first and the second are working. Here again (with the last 3 fixed):
- https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/594520/
- https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6603546/
- GOOD SUMMARY: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6688398/
- Forum Summary: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6702879/
- latest news on how to fix the FLICKERING: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/6714050/
That so-called "fix" is total BS. First of all, it makes the screen entirely too blue, and second, it does nothing to stop the flickering. The flickering won't go away with any software setting, it's a manufactured DEFECT.
frifra
macrumors 6502a
Well, I can tell you that is not the case.
I will certainly believe it, if somebody posts a picture, which clearly shows a MBA Rev. B without lines (e.g. on the google page).
The problem with that is, that it is really really hard to take a kind of good picture. I will explain you why: I had an MBA Rev.B with lines. They were clearly visible, also 2 Genius and other staff of the apple store saw them. Thus, I am not blind
. ALTHOUGH, it was not possible for me with 3 different cameras (Fuji, Canon, Panasonic) with different options/modes to take a single picture where one could see the lines on the PHOTO.All the lines which were visible, were some kind of interference lines (which are visible in the picture above too).
What needs to be done would be a kind of FIXED SETUP, e.g. a certain screen setup, angle, camera position, brightness, etc. where you would see the lines with nearly every camera. If this is done, than it is easily to proof, that there are MBAs withOUT the lines.
Veinticinco
macrumors 68000
Benvenuto, il vostro inglese è benissimoHello guys, I'm a new italian user, sorry for my English ...
Here are photos of my MBA rev B with the lines...
Are very obvious
Another really bad case of lines, but can you please post specs - HDD or SSD, and what screen model (go to SysPrefs/Display....Color tab....then click 'Open Profile' and scroll down to the last but one....gives you the screen model....usually a 9C90 or 9C9A).
Whatever, assume you plan on returning it?
Veinticinco
macrumors 68000
Yeah the HDD/9C90 combo was one of the worst for lines.
If I were you I'd ask for a refund, and hold out until the rev.C is announced which may (or may not but we hope) be announced in the next 2 weeks or so.
Yesterday I went to the apple store.
There were 2 MBA, first with hdd/9C90 and the other with ssd/9C9A.
Both had the problem of lines.
The Apple salesman told me that he had never noticed, but thought to be a feature of the MBA Rev B.
He advised me to contact Apple support for more information.
I think that the cause of the lines is the antiglare layer of the screen.
In MBA rev A (9C73) anti-glare layer is different, the lines are there but are more subtle. The screen seems to be more grainy, and light colors appear dirty, as if there were screens on a layer of dust.
My ideas about anti-glare layer are only assumptions, but I would like a precise technical explanation from Apple, the statement "it is normal, they are all so", it seems simplistic and shows little attention to you
MBA Rev B.....................................................................................MBA Rev A
There were 2 MBA, first with hdd/9C90 and the other with ssd/9C9A.
Both had the problem of lines.
The Apple salesman told me that he had never noticed, but thought to be a feature of the MBA Rev B.
He advised me to contact Apple support for more information.
I think that the cause of the lines is the antiglare layer of the screen.
In MBA rev A (9C73) anti-glare layer is different, the lines are there but are more subtle. The screen seems to be more grainy, and light colors appear dirty, as if there were screens on a layer of dust.
My ideas about anti-glare layer are only assumptions, but I would like a precise technical explanation from Apple, the statement "it is normal, they are all so", it seems simplistic and shows little attention to you
MBA Rev B.....................................................................................MBA Rev A
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caonimadebi
macrumors regular
I finally saw a "lined" MBA rev. B today (it was a 9C90) in store. I don't think any of the pictures in this thread correctly depicts the perceived lines when seen in person. If viewing a mostly white page, you'll see this papyrus-like texture that doesnt seem to run parallel to the pixel alignments. Surprisingly, it's when viewed from distance that the effect becomes bothersome.
I have a 9C8F and I can definitely tell the difference when mine is placed next to 9C90.
I have a 9C8F and I can definitely tell the difference when mine is placed next to 9C90.
Yup (even though this thread is from January), none of the photos seem to actually show what you see in person; which is as you described