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Pictures of SR MBP high CPU temp due to poor thermal paste application (56k ok)
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that mean people with 56K connection can "safely" view the image without waiting for a long load time.
Thanks Chem I appreciate the clarification. Basically this means that the OP did achieve a measurable change to the temperature, quite impressive. This will be something to watch for in the new MBP as they are delivered.
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Glad to hear you have no overheating issues. Could you install the istat widget and report back your CPU temp under full dual core load (perhaps by looping a few hi-res QT vids?)?
Re: the good thermal paste job looking bad when you pull it apart. Not really. I can speak from experience on this, having built literally dozens of PCs for home and lab. It only looks like crap (as in the pics) if you apply both too much, and then don't smooth it properly. I've seen this when replacing CPUs in existing machines (you often have to take off the heat sink first, in Athlon64 installs). There was way too much coming out the sides in those pics, and the remaining paste on the CPU was too uneven.
Lastly, agreed about taking it back to the manufacturer and complaining. Most people should not attempt to redo their own thermal paste job. This is Apple's job to fix.
They put all sorts of things in EULAs these days and something beeing in there doesn't mean it's legal or enforcable. That's not to say I have the time to bother with Apple in court over their terms of service.
My MBP SR is running at the same temps on average that people are posting here, but I really don't think i'm having any problems with the heat. I did notice though, that CoD2 crashes soon after you load a level, but I'm pretty sure it's because of the video card drivers or so (seems that many apps dont support the card yet) because the soldiers' body textures don't even load up. I get a kernel panic about 10 seconds after the level loads. Again, i really don't think it's heat. In my case anyway.
Another app that doesn't seem to support the card yet is OmniDazzle from the Omni Group.
A little off topic, i know, but i don't think we should be attributing all the problems to heat just yet.
I am very aware of Apple's extremely poor thermal paste application.
When I first got my MBP, it was running quite hot(65C just surfing the web). Well I am not taking my MBP apart untill warranty is over so and I couldn't afford not having it while they fixed it. So i toughed it out.
Low and behold, my patience pays off. Just like my warped screen that straightened itself out. My MBP now runst at 50C with Safari, itunes, MSN, Mail and a bunch of other applications open. It runs at 64C when i play World of Warcraft.
I would recommend waiting a little for the paste to settle for people not experiencing extreme heat on their machines like I had. Anything more then that would necessitate reapplication of thermal paste in my opinion. These machines are well designed and work like porsches when they are assembled and built properly. I have opened up a 1st gen MBP and several MB and the cooling design from an engineering point of view is 1st class.
When I first got my MBP, it was running quite hot(65C just surfing the web). Well I am not taking my MBP apart untill warranty is over so and I couldn't afford not having it while they fixed it. So i toughed it out.
Low and behold, my patience pays off. Just like my warped screen that straightened itself out. My MBP now runst at 50C with Safari, itunes, MSN, Mail and a bunch of other applications open. It runs at 64C when i play World of Warcraft.
I would recommend waiting a little for the paste to settle for people not experiencing extreme heat on their machines like I had. Anything more then that would necessitate reapplication of thermal paste in my opinion. These machines are well designed and work like porsches when they are assembled and built properly. I have opened up a 1st gen MBP and several MB and the cooling design from an engineering point of view is 1st class.
Every laptop my brothers parents or me have owned has had poor thermal paste application. Dells, compaq, Sony, IBM. It's across the board
o and if you want to do this lil diy mod. get some arctic silver5 and 91% rubbing alcohol. and some q tips.
I was just thinking. Pretty much all thermal paste has a curing time of 1-2 weeks around 200 hours. Yes I agree looking at the pictures, there is way to much paste on the chips, but give it some time. Temps may/should get better. Leave your mbp on during the day and turn it off at night.
o and if you want to do this lil diy mod. get some arctic silver5 and 91% rubbing alcohol. and some q tips.
I was just thinking. Pretty much all thermal paste has a curing time of 1-2 weeks around 200 hours. Yes I agree looking at the pictures, there is way to much paste on the chips, but give it some time. Temps may/should get better. Leave your mbp on during the day and turn it off at night.
Thanks for posting that.
Like I said, follow the take-apart directions and be careful. Also make sure you use the proper tools -- don't try to cheat with an incorrect size phillips screwdriver for example. And if you doubt yourself, don't do it!
But Battlefield 2 worked just fine other than when it crashed. The textures loaded just fine (it looked fantastic, in fact. At one point I was playing with every single setting at its highest and it was smooth. But when I played online with other people, I had to turn down the settings a little). I'm pretty sure my computer crashed from the heat. Either way, it's been twice now that it's crashed and I am going to call AppleCare and find out what the heck is going on...
if you're asking it to do things that you know will make the temp soar, then what the hell are you doing with it on your lap anyway?
seeking alternative birth control methods?
if you want to see if you have this problem, there is no need to open the computer. Just look through the rear vents with a light and you will see thermal paste oozing out between the heatsinks.
if you see stuff oozing out, thats already way too much thermal paste.
if you see stuff oozing out, thats already way too much thermal paste.
That's an interesting tip. I will have to check that in-store SR MBP and see if this tip works. Thanks!
*Pictures chem in an Apple store, crouched down with a keychain LED flashlight, peering into the back of a display MBP as sales reps watch, bewildered*
*Laughs hard*
It's yellow tape to hold down wires. It has nothing to do with the warranty.
There's probably 4 or 5 pieces of tape in there, if it's anything like the CD machines.
Great thread.
In the picture after the paste was applied, the person spread it evenly all over the chip. I've heard that putting a single dot in the center of the chip and letting it spread out is the better thing to do. The pressure from the heat sink makes the dot spread evenly in a circle.
What does everyone think of this?
Spread the paste all over the chip, or use the single dot method?
In the picture after the paste was applied, the person spread it evenly all over the chip. I've heard that putting a single dot in the center of the chip and letting it spread out is the better thing to do. The pressure from the heat sink makes the dot spread evenly in a circle.
What does everyone think of this?
Spread the paste all over the chip, or use the single dot method?
From my experience building desktop machines, I find that using a razor blade to create an extremely thin layer across the entire top of the CPU's heat spreader (top of the chip) works well. The safest procedure is simply to follow whatever instructions come with your thermal paste. Check the product's manual or website.
Someone replied to my question in another forum and posted this link.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm
So it appears that applying a straight line, placing the heat sink, then turning it sink 2 degrees each way is the answer.
http://www.arcticsilver.com/arctic_silver_instructions.htm
So it appears that applying a straight line, placing the heat sink, then turning it sink 2 degrees each way is the answer.
These are my questions exactly. I've pretty much been just looking at CPU A (which is now at 48C) and comparing my temperature to others' based on that. I don't know if this is the correct reading to be looking at. The GPU is a little warmer, and the Enclosure Bottom is usually considerably cooler.
You should look at the CPU temperature under full (100%) CPU load. After it's been at that load level for a few minutes. Easily accomplished by looping several hi-res quicktime videos. You can use the istat or istat pro dashboard widget to monitor this.
If this CPU temp is 80 degrees Celsius or above, something is wrong. The system may be working fine, but it should be running cooler.
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