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Cool! Still like MB's COMAND knob more, though (I don't like fingerprints on screens). Shame you can't fit it on every other car :(

I don't know, you'd probably have to try both to make a judgement. It does have an oleophobic screen cover, dust is more of an issue that smudges in my experience.
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I doubt it's stable enough yet and has to be a battery hog. It's been a while since they announced it so my guess is that there is some reason nobody has yet to roll it out.

Slightly in the weeds: Think of how fast AirPlay mirroring drains the battery. It's probably similar as CarPlay is sending the CarPlay UI to the headunit.

For stability the wired connection is flakey when starting up or at least has been for me. If I don't plug things in after my headunit has finished fully booting it'll crash 9/10 times. Sounds easy enough but when you're late for something the last thing you want to do is wait for a minute. Once the connection is stable then it usually works as expected without crashing. That after 10.3 was put out and Apple fixed a lot of bugs. It was frustrating before that release to say the least.

I don't know if it would have the same issues as AirPlay on the battery because it doesn't need to encode and decode high resolution video for CarPlay. Though, everything else about how it works is probably 100% exact to AirPlay, and is why it has superior audio to Bluetooth (at least below 5.0).
 
Short Story:
If youre using CarPlay and Apple Maps it uses the GPS software of your phone and the antenna in your phone for it's navigation.

Actually, CarPlay will feed GPS data from the in-car GPS unit if one is present.

I know this because the NEX-8000 I used had a bug where the in-car antenna wouldn't get updates on the initial position for upwards of 5 minutes after starting the car, and would show you not moving during those 5 minutes. With the phone disconnected, it never showed such behavior, but the moment it was plugged into CarPlay, it also demonstrated the exact same bug. It would even "jump" from the actual position to the stale one.

So CarPlay does use the GPS data from the head unit, if it provides it. But it is an optional feature, not one head unit makers are required to provide (but Pioneer does).
 
TurboPGT! said:
It has been a long time since I owned a car where replacing the in dash system was an option.

Wonder how popular this market still is.

It's still an option with pretty much every vehicle on the market. They just now require a different dash kit.

That really depends on the brand. BMW, Mercedes and others have their own non-standard buss for the radio, so even if you can mount the radio in dash there is no easy way to connect to the vehicle's speakers, steering wheel controls, etc.

Since you are an M3 guy, I'd wager the E30 based one might work (I think my 325 still had regular radio wiring) but an e90 based one would have a BMW proprietary buss. If you know of a way to connect one of these to the BMW buss so everything works I'd love to hear about it.
 
As someone who owns 2 M3s, I'll pass on the 5 series.
Hey OldSchoolMacGuy,
Wanted to ask your thoughts: So I have a stock 330CI and keep going back and forth on wether I want to do a CarPlay Install or just add a Bluetooth Unit for Steering Wheel' Siri & iPhone integration. I like the look of this but still can't decide if i really want to change the stock interior.

Cheers.

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Hey OldSchoolMac Guy,
Wanted to ask your thoughts: So I have a stock 330CI and keep going back and forth on wether I want to do a CarPlay Install or just add a Bluetooth Unit for Steering Wheel' Siri &iPhone integration. I like the look of this but still can't decide if i really want to change the stock interior.

Cheers.

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I think if you get a good install kit they look pretty nice. I've got an AppRadio in my Acura and like it a lot. Looks fairly factory (other than the real factory GPS system still installed above it).
 
I don't know, you'd probably have to try both to make a judgement. It does have an oleophobic screen cover, dust is more of an issue that smudges in my experience.

I have used both fairly extensively, and I like the knob-based systems more than any touch-based system, despite the pain of entering addresses.
 
Actually, CarPlay will feed GPS data from the in-car GPS unit if one is present.

I know this because the NEX-8000 I used had a bug where the in-car antenna wouldn't get updates on the initial position for upwards of 5 minutes after starting the car, and would show you not moving during those 5 minutes. With the phone disconnected, it never showed such behavior, but the moment it was plugged into CarPlay, it also demonstrated the exact same bug. It would even "jump" from the actual position to the stale one.

So CarPlay does use the GPS data from the head unit, if it provides it. But it is an optional feature, not one head unit makers are required to provide (but Pioneer does).
That's interesting, I haven't read that yet. Good to know.
Gives me something to read up on. Thanks.
 
Read they are resistive touch? Yuck. Why?
Honestly, resistive works better in a vehicle and has gotten better than the technology of the past. My Sony CarPlay unit uses it, and aside from the smudginess that comes from a plastic covered display, it's an elegant unit that is extremely responsive. Multitouch would be nice, but it's otherwise fine.

Anyone in the market for one of these should check out sony's offerings first. In my opinion, they offer a more aesthetically pleasing design that feels more like a true Apple product.

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-Fo2IW57xwdZ/p_158XAV100/Sony-XAV-AX100.html
 
$600 so I can safely use an iPhone in a car?

When I got my first iPhone recently (an iPhone SE), I was shocked at how horrible Apple's in-car experience was. Siri can't even do basic stuff like answer a friggin' phone call, nor can audio be routed properly. I was like.... how many years old is the iPhone now???!!!
 
Actually, CarPlay will feed GPS data from the in-car GPS unit if one is present.

I know this because the NEX-8000 I used had a bug where the in-car antenna wouldn't get updates on the initial position for upwards of 5 minutes after starting the car, and would show you not moving during those 5 minutes. With the phone disconnected, it never showed such behavior, but the moment it was plugged into CarPlay, it also demonstrated the exact same bug. It would even "jump" from the actual position to the stale one.

So CarPlay does use the GPS data from the head unit, if it provides it. But it is an optional feature, not one head unit makers are required to provide (but Pioneer does).
That's the first I've heard of that. Interesting feature ... I definitely trust the iPhone's GPS over an aftermarket one though.
 
Get an M5.

There, I solved your problem. ;)
Nice rides, but I'm sticking with my modded GL450 and E550 Benzes. I'm 6'8", and need a real car. ;)

On topic, I'm pleased that I may be able to rid my vehicles' lousy COMAND units for a reasonable cost. Not that I use the music functions much, preferring the burble of a finely-tuned German V8 engine hotting it up on a spirited drive in the countryside!
 
It has been a long time since I owned a car where replacing the in dash system was an option.

Wonder how popular this market still is.
I was just thinking the same thing... I have not seen a vehicle that does not have all the vehicle controls, telematics and control instrumentation built into the vehicle entertainment system in a very long time.

I recently had a problem with the fibre optics in my old Land Rover (2013) and the vehicle entertainment system as well as the touch screen all went dead... so I thought, that is okay, I will just replace the system with an after market CarPlay system. It turns out that I would have to basically rewire the entire vehicle and replace so many other parts and systems to get it to work (by the way, it turned out that it was just the amp in the Land Rover that died)
 
I was just thinking the same thing... I have not seen a vehicle that does not have all the vehicle controls, telematics and control instrumentation built into the vehicle entertainment system in a very long time.

I recently had a problem with the fibre optics in my old Land Rover (2013) and the vehicle entertainment system as well as the touch screen all went dead... so I thought, that is okay, I will just replace the system with an after market CarPlay system. It turns out that I would have to basically rewire the entire vehicle and replace so many other parts and systems to get it to work (by the way, it turned out that it was just the amp in the Land Rover that died)

While you are right, many newer cars, especially high end or luxury cars have many things built into their infotainment systems, but there are still many older cars still on the road.

In the US, the average car on the road is older than 11 years. This number is growing. So, aftermarket headunits are not going anywhere for a while.

Besides, the car audio business is adapting to the changes in today's cars. There are adapters replacing some of the features that you would otherwise lose, such as telematics, and OEM amp control.
 
While you are right, many newer cars, especially high end or luxury cars have many things built into their infotainment systems, but there are still many older cars still on the road.

In the US, the average car on the road is older than 11 years. This number is growing. So, aftermarket headunits are not going anywhere for a while.

Besides, the car audio business is adapting to the changes in today's cars. There are adapters replacing some of the features that you would otherwise lose, such as telematics, and OEM amp control.
For a while is relative. Every year that ticks by is one close to the end of a profitable aftermarket for Car Audio/Infotainment.
 
It has been a long time since I owned a car where replacing the in dash system was an option.

Wonder how popular this market still is.

Very! I have never owned a car above 2001. I love older BMWs.... tons of fun to drive and easy to work on and modify.

This is perfect for a lot of the owners on BMWCCA.
 
It has been a long time since I owned a car where replacing the in dash system was an option.

Wonder how popular this market still is.
My 2015 Land Rover Defender didn't even come with a stereo as standard - that was an optional extra! It's also worth more now than it was new.
 
That's the first I've heard of that. Interesting feature ... I definitely trust the iPhone's GPS over an aftermarket one though.

That's interesting, I haven't read that yet. Good to know.
Gives me something to read up on. Thanks.

The problem is that the details of exactly what flows over USB between the phone and the head unit isn't well documented. Apple seems to only share it with the OEMs working on head units. A lot of what I know about what does go over the wire was figured out via experimentation.

After getting a chance to mess with multiple head units that implement CarPlay, I can definitely tell that GPS, mic, and touch are fed into the iPhone. So good mic functionality in the head unit is also important. The NEX 8000 was usable, but not nearly as good as the newer Sony AX100 I now have.
 
4 doors? No thanks. Not a dad. Don't need that business.

To each his own, I guess. The next M car I buy to give my E36 M3 coupé some company in the garage in a few years will *not* be the current F80 M4. The M4, in my view, is an absolute boat in terms of size. I'll likely be going for an F87 M2. :)

That is, provided Alfa Romeo and the Giulia Quadrifoglio don't sweep me off my feet...
 
Actually, CarPlay will feed GPS data from the in-car GPS unit if one is present.

I know this because the NEX-8000 I used had a bug where the in-car antenna wouldn't get updates on the initial position for upwards of 5 minutes after starting the car, and would show you not moving during those 5 minutes. With the phone disconnected, it never showed such behavior, but the moment it was plugged into CarPlay, it also demonstrated the exact same bug. It would even "jump" from the actual position to the stale one.

So CarPlay does use the GPS data from the head unit, if it provides it. But it is an optional feature, not one head unit makers are required to provide (but Pioneer does).

That's interesting. I'll have to contact Pioneer to confirm.

The reason I was curious is that I've test driven a lot of cars recently. Surprisingly, very few have an adequate place to stow a smartphone! To use CarPlay, you have to connect with a USB cord. The place where you rest the phone would normally compromise the phone's GPS performance. Yet Apple Maps worked as expected.
 
For a while is relative. Every year that ticks by is one close to the end of a profitable aftermarket for Car Audio/Infotainment.

Classic car world is huge and the children of the 80's / 90's are now paying big money for the new classics.

After all who would want to drive a new BMW when you could drive a proper one like this with a single din dash? And install a single din Car Play unit without permanently damaging the cars originality.
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