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iPod Pirated Music

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lexus

lexus

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Dont you hate it when people boast how much music they downloaded when in fact it is all from LimeWire or Kazaa some times i feel like taking their iPod's and crushing them. Maybe Apple should disable the use of mp3's on iPod's or at least take some measures to prevent pirated music being used on iPod's. I still remember the day I got my iTunes account and deleted all my illicit music in one go!

Sorry about this rant but it really gets to me.
 
Piracy was occuring long before the iPod ever came out, and it isn't Apple's responsibility to police the buying public. Some people, like me, have ripped their collections so why should I be unable to put those things on my iPod?
 
jaydub said:
Piracy was occuring long before the iPod ever came out, and it isn't Apple's responsibility to police the buying public. Some people, like me, have ripped their collections so why should I be unable to put those things on my iPod?
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ripped music is fine and probably aac.
 
lexus said:
Dont you hate it when people boast how much music they downloaded when in fact it is all from LimeWire or Kazaa some times i feel like taking their iPod's and crushing them. Maybe Apple should disable the use of mp3's on iPod's or at least take some measures to prevent pirated music being used on iPod's. I still remember the day I got my iTunes account and deleted all my illicit music in one go!

Sorry about this rant but it really gets to me.
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Well good for you. I don't understand why you would get angry because people download music from the net. Do you work in the music industry? or the RIAA?
 
lexus said:
ripped music is fine and probably aac.
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But how is Apple to tell the difference between ripped music and illegally downloaded music? :)

Also, I have over 20,000 legally ripped MP3s. To be honest, I can't be bothered re-ripping them to AAC. :eek:

Aaaannd, who says you can't download AACs illegally?
 
x86 said:
Well good for you. I don't understand why you would get angry because people download music from the net. Do you work in the music industry? or the RIAA?
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No; but us buyers pay the freight for the freeloaders...

I have personally paid over $350 in recording media levies (the tax that isn't) for my own computer data use, for the sole reason that copiers and downloaders forced the Canadian government to penalize all blank media buyers.
 
Oh, I wansn't aware of the soring costs of CDs these days... :rolleyes:

I know that downloading illegal music is bad, but I just find it annoying that because you happened to dump all of your P2P music that everyone else should. A DRM only iPod would make my current iPod my last.
 
x86 said:
Well good for you. I don't understand why you would get angry because people download music from the net. Do you work in the music industry? or the RIAA?
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wouldn't you get angry if someone said,

"check out my new porsche!"
"sweet, where did you get that?"
"oh I stole from this guy down the street"

i'd be pretty pissed
 
miniConvert said:
I'd be pretty pissed if I was the guy down the street.
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indeed,

or a little closer to the scenario... what if the guy down the street was the guy who made the car, and you had just bought one from him last week...

even more pissed??
 
miniConvert said:
I'd be pretty pissed if I was the guy down the street.
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lol

I'm simply arguing that a DRM only iPod would be awful, I'm not arguing the ethics of illegally downloading music. Who would want a corporation to snoop through your music collection to see if you are a potential criminal... Maybe I'm in the minority on this, but I would find that a bit scary.
 
No, because theft is when you deprive another person of their goods.

This isn't theft in the same way as stealing a car. If you want to get techincal, your scenario should be

Hey check out my new car!

Where did you get it?

I copied it off the guy down the street.

Would I give a darn? Not really.

Fact is, sales of music are UP not down. I am not saying piracy is right however... just saying your argument is tired and lame.
 
Squareball said:
No, because theft is when you deprive another person of their goods.

This isn't theft in the same way as stealing a car. If you want to get techincal, your scenario should be

Hey check out my new car!

Where did you get it?

I copied it off the guy down the street.

Would I give a darn? Not really.

Fact is, sales of music are UP not down. I am not saying piracy is right however... just saying your argument is tired and lame.
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very well put. :)
 
Agreed, there's no direct loss for the victim but as is the case with stealing any intellectual property, it's still technically called theft.
 
mad jew said:
Agreed, there's no direct loss for the victim but as is the case with stealing any intellectual property, it's still technically called theft.
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what about pirating an album before it is released?
 
lexus said:
ripped music is fine and probably aac.
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All of my ripped music is MP3. And I refuse to use AAC.

bobx2001 said:
what about pirating an album before it is released?
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They don't lose anything. Stealing is phyiscally depriving someone with something. Pirating is copying, not theft.
 
Squareball said:
Fact is, sales of music are UP not down. I am not saying piracy is right however... just saying your argument is tired and lame.
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um... music sales are actually down, year after year. You might be confused with downloads, which is up, but that is still a fraction of total sales.

in 2004 there were about 650,000,000 cds sold, or approximately 6.5 billion tracks (probably a bit more as that is only 10 tracks and album)
in 2005 it sank to 610,000,000 cds, or 6.1 billion tracks, down about 400 millon tracks.

downloads went from about 135 million to about 330 million, or up about 200 million.

simple math gets net loss of about 200 million tracks. Music sales havn't been up in nearly a decade.

no matter how you compare it stealing is stealing, whether its someone's hard work on a vehicle, an artists soul in a painting, or a composers music. How its copied is irrelevant. just because a file is easier to copy and distribute than a car, it's still wrong.
 
yg17 said:
They don't lose anything. Stealing is phyiscally depriving someone with something. Pirating is copying, not theft.
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Look up "stealing" in a dictionary. It doesn't say anything about depriving anyone of anything physical. There is a long history of prosecution of intellectual property theft.
 
yg17 said:
They don't lose anything. Stealing is phyiscally depriving someone with something. Pirating is copying, not theft.
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I know its still not thief but the notion of a hardcore music fan only being able having the pirate his/her music to hear some new album is just amusing and i am sure it must piss a few people off.
 
bobx2001 said:
what about pirating an album before it is released?
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I don't see how the release date affects anything much. :eek:


yg17 said:
They don't lose anything. Stealing is phyiscally depriving someone with something. Pirating is copying, not theft.
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They lose a potential sale. I know for a fact that Australian law still classes this as stealing and theft. Perhaps it's different in other countries.
 
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