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howard said:
Maybe music sales have been down because all music released lately sucks. Honestly...there hasn't really been anything this year, that in my opinion, is worth 15 bucks. I buy CDs that are worth it. If artists want CD sales, then make something worth buying.
bobx2001 said:
Of course you can...in the eyes of the law, it's the same thing. Property doesn't have to be tangible in order to allow for it to be stolen. Intellectual property is among the most valuable stuff on earth (even though it's not really on earth).
same with me. mp3 is the standard, it doesn't depend on whether a company sinks or notyg17 said:
bobx2001 said:
When I was in highschool, just before downloading got popular all of my friends and I spent most of our money on cds. You have jobs and you live at home, you have a couple hundred dollars to spend on anything, most high schoolers used to spend it on cds, now they pirate them and spend it somewhere else.
whether the car analogy was "perfect" or not is irrelevant, the point is, if someone has something that you have, but they got it by stealing it, and you bought it, you'd be pissed. if not... well then your morals are kinda messed up. and if you don't care then why are you posting?
bobx2001 said:
Not a 13 year old kid, but a 14 year old kid certainly would.
If piracy was miraculously abolished, I think music sales would go up. They wouldn't go up to the extent that all previously pirated music would now be purchased legally, but I still think they would rise. It doesn't matter though, it's a moot point.
My only issue is that pirating music is seemingly being justified here by losing its theft and stealing nomenclature. Irrespective of who loses what, taking something that you do not own and do not have permission to use is called stealing.
When someone pirates something, what are they depriving the artist from? 50 Cent can only afford an Enzo instead of a Bugatti? Lars Ulrich must settle for a 30 room mansion instead of a 35 room one? Britney Spears can only afford the medical bills after dropping one baby and must be more careful with her second? Nelly can only get 30 inch chrome spinners on his escalade instead of 32 inch ones? Get my point?
The artists who are the most vocal about piracy are filthy rich and can wipe their ass with hundred dollar bills. The lesser known artists typically consider piracy a good thing because it helps get their music out there and gets them discovered so they can get record deals and get rich and famous.
The artists who are the most vocal about piracy are filthy rich and can wipe their ass with hundred dollar bills. The lesser known artists typically consider piracy a good thing because it helps get their music out there and gets them discovered so they can get record deals and get rich and famous.
yg17 said:
The net worth of the victim has absolutely no bearing on the crime being committed.
And yes, there are plenty of artists who view free downloading of their music as a good thing. They and their labels have arranged to make the material available. Many others have not, and downloading their music is theft.
mad jew said:
The reason people will start to justify it and stop calling it thief is because the law is'nt really enforced and people dont feel as if they are doing anything wrong while they are doing it.
I personally think the government is partly to blame for this, you cant honestly expect people to obey a law if it is not being enforced properly. just think about a school test. would you honestly think that students wouldn't cheat if they could get away with it easily? and if cheating was committed in masses and nothing was done about it people would soon start to find an innuendo.
yg17 said:
thats always such a terrible argument. I suppose stealing mac software is fine because mr. Jobs has a few billion in the bank?
You'll find opinions on both sides of the piracy issue at all levels of success.
but do you see anyone giving away all of their cds? I mean if they think its going to help get there music out why not?... but no one does that do they? A lot of bands give singles away on there sites for free to give people a taste which I think is a great thing, but I've never met a band that likes it when someone downloads there whole album and never buys it.
yg17 said:
Exactly. People that download from lesser known bands are much more likely to see them in concert and buy merch. I'm pretty sure tours bring in much more money than CD sales.
... and none of you have ever made a mixed tape of cd before in your life. you do know that passing around music from an actual copy to another is illegal. its just that before p2p (and perhaps growth of the global economy) it was happening on a much much much much much smaller scale and more difficult to control. you can't go searching people's houses and say 'ah ha! your friend xxx put y on a tape for you. i am going to bust your ass' where as now everything is much easier to persecute.
and further to that argument, apple should abolish podcasts surely? many of these homemade music shows do not have copyright to distribute right? i mean for example, look at dance music. for all the songs on a set to have rights to publish takes ages! but yet thanks to podcasting, we can easily download sets by our fav. djs no problems. what the hell??
yes piracy perhaps wrong, but unless you are a really virtuous gizillionaire, i think we are all knowingly or unknowingly part of it.
and further to that argument, apple should abolish podcasts surely? many of these homemade music shows do not have copyright to distribute right? i mean for example, look at dance music. for all the songs on a set to have rights to publish takes ages! but yet thanks to podcasting, we can easily download sets by our fav. djs no problems. what the hell??
yes piracy perhaps wrong, but unless you are a really virtuous gizillionaire, i think we are all knowingly or unknowingly part of it.
bobx2001 said:
http://cdbaby.net/
"We keep only a 9% cut, paying 91% of all income directly to the artist."
that against itunes site is more true for major labels because volume makes up for % of sale because the label has to pay to market it. but there are hundreds of other independent ways to get your music on itunes or for sell via other sites and get a very decent cut of the profits.
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