HomePod PISSED about HomePod

[MacDawg]

Why? In what world is it rational to travel with a device that couldn’t possibly be more explicit in being a home-based product.

Don't you take your 27" iMac on business trips with you and complain you can't use it on the airplane? 😉

 

[sammy2066]

P2P AirPlay or Bluetooth could have worked so easily.
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Totally agree. But developing a restrictive speaker that absolutely requires WiFi to function is my point of contention.

 

[TrueBlou]

Why? In what world is it rational to travel with a device that couldn’t possibly be more explicit in being a home-based product.

I do definitely agree that it’s supposed to be a home based device. Of that there’s no doubt.
But I am thinking of taking mine with me when the wife inevitability drags me off to the caravan several times a year.

I bloody hate it, I wasn’t designed for caravans, I’m too tall to be in a sodding sardine can.

But we were given it as a gift by my in-laws so we’ve got to use the damn thing.

But, one HomePod, one iPhone with unlimited data, my MobileLite as the router, an iPad, a TV and my eReader. I might just survive it this year 😀

 

[NT1440]

Don't you take your 27" iMac on business trips with you and complain you can't use it on the airplane? 😉

That's just nonsensical. I pack up my Mac Pro, two 30" monitors, a RAID array, and you wouldn't believe the fuss the flight crew makes when I go to plug in the power strip. The nerve of some people...

 

[oneMadRssn]

I hardly think using it in a hotel room is outside the scope of what could be considered normal use.

Out of curiosity - when you travel, do you bring any other plug-in appliances that weigh over 5lbs and are larger than a pair of shoes?

I mean, people do sometimes. I've seen people travel with curling irons or hair straighteners. I have a buddy that always has a portable steamer for his clothes. But none of those are over 5lbs (or, 10% of your airline bag check weight limit). I've never seen anyone travel with a clothes iron, for example. I'm sure there are some medical devices some people must travel with that fit this criteria. I've also seen families travel with their kids' game consoles, though I've always thought that defeated the whole point of vacation.

But overall, traveling with a non-portable entertainment appliance is weird. It'd done, but opposite what you said, it's quite abnormal.

 

[NT1440]

I do definitely agree that it’s supposed to be a home based device. Of that there’s no doubt.
But I am thinking of taking mine with me when the wife inevitability drags me off to the caravan several times a year.

I bloody hate it, I wasn’t designed for caravans, I’m too tall to be in a sodding sardine can.

But we were given it as a gift by my in-laws so we’ve got to use the damn thing.

But, one HomePod, one iPhone with unlimited data, my MobileLite as the router, an iPad, a TV and my eReader. I might just survive it this year 😀

Can't you just use the Peer-to-Pear airplay on it?

 

[TrueBlou]

Can't you just use the Peer-to-Pear airplay on it?

I could, but I’ll have the MobileLite setup anyway so that both our iPads, both our eReaders, the display for watching TV, Plex and Netflix, my Switch and Vita and the wife’s iPhone all get internet anyway, so I’d be just as well hooking it into that.

 

[A MacBook lover]

Why? In what world is it rational to travel with a device that couldn’t possibly be more explicit in being a home-based product.

So AirPods are supposed be used in the air? Just stop. It’s marketed as a speaker.

I’ve lived in areas that where all I had was portal based web access, aka free internet. So I’m dumb for expecting my speaker to work?

The fact that I had to visit a friends house to use his WiFi just to perform initial setup is silly. It should work right out of the box!

Requiring an open WiFi network just to play music/initial setup is dumb. Just about as dumb as single player iOS games that require internet to play.

Btw I’m running 11.3 beta 4

 

[vipergts2207]

Why? In what world is it rational to travel with a device that couldn’t possibly be more explicit in being a home-based product.

You ever go vacation? Might be nice to be able to play music in your room while you’re there. Speaking of intended use cases, I’ve seen countless misguided people trying to shoehorn this into being a “home theater” speaker.

Out of curiosity - when you travel, do you bring any other plug-in appliances that weigh over 5lbs and are larger than a pair of shoes?

I mean, people do sometimes. I've seen people travel with curling irons or hair straighteners. I have a buddy that always has a portable steamer for his clothes. But none of those are over 5lbs (or, 10% of your airline bag check weight limit). I've never seen anyone travel with a clothes iron, for example. I'm sure there are some medical devices some people must travel with that fit this criteria. I've also seen families travel with their kids' game consoles, though I've always thought that defeated the whole point of vacation.

But overall, traveling with a non-portable entertainment appliance is weird. It'd done, but opposite what you said, it's quite abnormal.

Dude, I took a trunk completely filled with telescope equipment to South Carolina last year for the solar eclipse. We even had to put the ‘normal’ vacation luggage in the back seat because there was no space left in the trunk. I assure you, a tiny HomePod would be no problem.

 

[NT1440]

So AirPods are supposed be used in the air? Just stop. It’s marketed as a speaker.

I’ve lived in areas that where all I had was portal based web access, aka free internet. So I’m dumb for expecting my speaker to work?

The fact that I had to visit a friends house to use his WiFi just to perform initial setup is silly. It should work right out of the box!

Requiring an open WiFi network just to play music/initial setup is dumb. Just about as dumb as single player iOS games that require internet to play.

Btw I’m running 11.3 beta 4

Do you understand that a private WiFi network is subject to the restrictions that THE OWNER of the network puts on it? Apple, Amazon, Google don’t have any ability to change that (barring a major contract with a hotel chain explicitly changing their network configurations company wide ).

It seems to me you’re arguing for something you don’t understand the technological limitations of.

I never called you dumb, you just seem to not understand what is going on here which is totally fine if you’re not an IT worker.

Again though, this marketed as a HOME speaker, not a travel/works in all scenarios device. On top of that you CAN use it as just “a speaker” with airplay, without WiFi.

 

[A MacBook lover]

Do you understand that a private WiFi network is subject to the restrictions that THE OWNER of the network puts on it? Apple, Amazon, Google don’t have any ability to change that (barring a major contract with a hotel change).

I do. I’m probably more tech savvy than you.

Yet, Apple couldn’t take the time to allow the HomePod to not require WiFi? Or make peer to peer airplay default so no initial setup is needed? Or even allow the portal to be accessed on an iOS device to allow HomePod access to public networks?

It seems to me you’re arguing for something you don’t understand the technological limitations of.

Actually I’m a very happy Apple user who expected a setup similar to the rest of his products, easy.

Again though, this marketed as a HOME speaker, not a travel/works in all scenarios device. On top of that you CAN use it as just “a speaker” with airplay, without WiFi.

Why not make the speaker ready to play without an open WiFi network requirement out of the box? It just improves the user experience to avoid situations like mine?

Why you feel the need to pressure my opinions down I don’t know 🙄

 

[oneMadRssn]

Dude, I took a trunk completely filled with telescope equipment to South Carolina last year for the solar eclipse. We even had to put the ‘normal’ vacation luggage in the back seat because there was no space left in the trunk. I assure you, a tiny HomePod would be no problem.

I didn't say it was impossible, I said it was abnormal. Most people also don't travel with a trunk-full of telescope equipment either. I guarantee every example of bringing a plug-in appliance that weighs over 5lbs and is larger than a pair of shoes is going to be some way out there oddball example. Some bowlers probably travel with a plug-in bowling ball polishing machine. Doesn't make it normal.

 

[Buerkletucson]

You were just subtlety trolling, which was your real point, and isn’t appreciated. Next time don’t post at all if your opting out to help another member and instead criticize.

On another note, I consider myself quite technical savvy - why couldn’t peer to peer be enabled right out of the box? I’m used to apple products being ridiculously easy. Oh well, it works now - I’m happy.

Troll?
Yea, funny how that comment comes up when a person realizes how much real truth there is to what another person says.
Tech savvy? 🙂

....still working on getting my Homepod to work on a motorcycle, any ideas? 🙄

 

[A MacBook lover]

Troll?
Yea, funny how that comment comes up when a person realizes how much real truth there is to what another person says.
Tech savvy? 🙂

....still working on getting my Homepod to work on a motorcycle, any ideas? 🙄

You saying your right, doesn’t make you right pal. It makes you something else. 🙂

No motorcycle, but I got my HomePod to work in my tesla: https://imgur.com/a/edLZG 🙂

 

[TrueBlou]

Troll?
Yea, funny how that comment comes up when a person realizes how much real truth there is to what another person says.
Tech savvy? 🙂

....still working on getting my Homepod to work on a motorcycle, any ideas? 🙄

Yeah, get yourself a RAVPower 27,000mAh USB-C Portable Charger with Built-in A/C Outlet. There's your power, Personal Hotspot for your internet and network, or if needs be, in combination with the Kingston MobileLite for a WiFi Network. Bob's your cousins, sisters, son's, dad's brother 😛

(Incidentally, I do have the RAVPower A/C PowerBank, it's a pretty awesome piece of techy toy).

 

[NT1440]

I do. I’m probably more tech savvy than you.

Yet, Apple couldn’t take the time to allow the HomePod to not require WiFi? Or make peer to peer airplay default so no initial setup is needed? Or even allow the portal to be accessed on an iOS device to allow HomePod access to public networks?



Actually I’m a very happy Apple user who expected a setup similar to the rest of his products, easy.



Why not make the speaker ready to play without an open WiFi network requirement out of the box? It just improves the user experience to avoid situations like mine?

Why you feel the need to pressure my opinions down I don’t know 🙄

Make it not require WiFi? As in, not a smart speaker then?

You’re asking why Apple didn’t take the time to address an absolutely absurd use case when the product is explicitly meant to be used in a persons home?

You suggest that peer-to-peer should be the default, because of your usage, which fundamentally knee caps the HomeKit functionality. Why would the default be the functionality that requires the main selling points of the device be disabled by default?

At the end of the day, you’re asking why this product wasn’t designed with a functionality that no smart device ships with, the ability to circumvent network administrator’s explicit network setup.

 

[oneMadRssn]

That's just nonsensical. I pack up my Mac Pro, two 30" monitors, a RAID array, and you wouldn't believe the fuss the flight crew makes when I go to plug in the power strip. The nerve of some people...

Totally normal.

 

[A MacBook lover]

Make it not require WiFi? As in, not a smart speaker then?

You’re asking why Apple didn’t take the time to address an absolutely absurd use case when the product is explicitly meant to be used in a persons home?

You suggest that peer-to-peer should be the default, because of your usage, which fundamentally knee caps the HomeKit functionality. Why would the default be the functionality that requires the main selling points of the device be disabled by default?

At the end of the day, you’re asking why this product wasn’t designed with a functionality that no smart device ships with, the ability to circumvent network administrator’s explicit network setup.

You seem passionate, more than me. Sorry if my opinions on a product upset you

 

[TrueBlou]

Ok, so it’s buying something else, but maybe pick up an Ultimate Ears Boom 2?

You can pick them up really cheap these days, it’s got good sound, good battery life (or plug it in), heck it’s even got Siri.

It’s the perfect mobile speaker and a damn sight easier than trying to faff about with a product designed not to be mobile.

 

[NT1440]

You seem passionate, more than me. Sorry if my opinions on a product upset you

I’m just pointing out that you’re demanding an entirely different product than what the HomePod is. I’m not the one that made a thread about this, but I can’t shake the feeling that you don’t understand *why* the product doesn’t work on hotel WiFi networks in the first place.

 

[A MacBook lover]

I’m just pointing out that you’re demanding an entirely different product than what the HomePod is. I’m not the one that made a thread about this, but I can’t shake the feeling that you don’t understand *why* the product doesn’t work on hotel WiFi networks in the first place.

The HomePod is a speaker with a digital assistant, you are the one defining what it is.

 

[44267547]

I’m just pointing out that you’re demanding an entirely different product than what the HomePod is. I’m not the one that made a thread about this, but I can’t shake the feeling that you don’t understand *why* the product doesn’t work on hotel WiFi networks in the first place.

You’re right, you didn’t make a thread about this, @Amacfa did. He had some questions on how to initially pair the HomePod in the hotel and he got his questions answered. Not sure why you continually keep dismissing he doesn’t understand the HomePod capabilities, when he clearly elaborated that multiple times to you and throughout the thread.

 

[bopajuice]

Do you understand that a private WiFi network is subject to the restrictions that THE OWNER of the network puts on it? Apple, Amazon, Google don’t have any ability to change that (barring a major contract with a hotel chain explicitly changing their network configurations company wide ).

It seems to me you’re arguing for something you don’t understand the technological limitations of.

I never called you dumb, you just seem to not understand what is going on here which is totally fine if you’re not an IT worker.

Again though, this marketed as a HOME speaker, not a travel/works in all scenarios device. On top of that you CAN use it as just “a speaker” with airplay, without WiFi.

I travel often. Many hotels have no password or other safeguard in place when you connect. You connect and go. Some require a web browser to accept terms and conditions. Some require payment, room number, name, etc. Most people are not technologically savvy when it comes to all the forms or WiFi, private Wifi, secured Wifi, etc., or how to connect to them. I remember a time many moons ago when connecting to a hotel network using an Apple web browser was a challenge. Sometimes I had to guess the default IP address of the hotel router to gain access to the login. To assume everyone knows the limitations of the HomePod is just a show of insensitivity.

The best way to avoid this situation is to stay at only four or five star resorts. Last place I stayed had a Bose system in the room. No need to bring your own speaker. Sounds reasonable right?

 

[NT1440]

You’re right, you didn’t make a thread about this, @Amacfa did. He had some questions on how to initially pair the HomePod in the hotel and he got his questions answered. Not sure why you continually keep dismissing he doesn’t understand the HomePod capabilities, when he clearly elaborated that multiple times to you and throughout the thread.

He repeatedly expressed his opinion that the device should have *additional* capabilities that no consumer device has (the ability to circumvent network administration security measures) because the device is “expensive”. In return I keep getting told that Apple should have just done it, even though from a technical standpoint it’s simply not possible to do that, aside from intelligence agency equipment. That’s why I kept pushing back on that absurd notion.

 

[A MacBook lover]

He repeatedly expressed his opinion that the device should have *additional* capabilities that no consumer device has (the ability to circumvent network administration security measures) because the device is “expensive”. In return I keep getting told that Apple should have just done it, even though from a technical standpoint it’s simply not possible to do that, aside from intelligence agency equipment. That’s why I kept pushing back on that absurd notion.

Your argument would make sense if I was trying to use aux cable, but I’m not. I was having a hard time using my iOS device for HomePod. What if my home WiFi was provided for free by my home owners association? And had no other choice but to use public/gateway’d internet for my HOME? It’s still in the home, so it counts for your considered ‘use case’ right?