jamezr
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How so? Others have done it....engineer it so its a little bigger? Boom problem solved...engineering wins.
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epicrayban
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The S9 and S8 both have a vibration function in the home button. Isn't the iPhone's taptic engine thing just to mimic a home button press?
Who really knows. I just feel confident if Samsung could do it (while also including room for a vibration function in the home button, full waterproofing, and room elsewhere for a microSD slot) Apple and Google could, too, if they wanted to.
[doublepost=1529082735][/doublepost]And just to clarify, I'm over the loss of the jack. The Pixel 2 was my daily driver for many months, and I got along without the jack. There were certainly instances I wish I could still use it. I actually use both wired and wireless earphones depending on my situation. I travel for work every few weeks/months, for example, and I prefer a wired solution when I do because I don't want to bring another cable to charge my bluetooth earphones nor do I want to worry about my bluetooth's battery. It'd be great if I could have done that when I was traveling with my Pixel 2.
I understand that's where smartphones are headed and I'm actually all for a wireless future. For argument's sake, I'm simply saying, OEMs can still do both at this point in time -- keep the headphone jack and still offer first party bluetooth accessories. And worse, the reasoning from OEMs, especially big ones like Apple and Google, to not do so sound disingenuous.
Take wireless charging vs wired charging... You don't need to remove one feature for the other. At least in this example, there are good wireless charger options out there. Not so the case with USB-C earphones. With wireless charging, OEMs simply added wireless charging without removing the wired solution. This makes sense and benefits consumers the most, while still pointing us toward a wireless future.
It should be the same strategy with the headphone jack. Thankfully there are OEMs who recognize this. I wish Google was still one of them.
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Michael Goff
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So your solution is to make the phone wider and taller, making it harder to hold? That's not a solution.
No, the Taptic Engine isn't just to mimic a home button press and it's not like the vibration motor in the S8.
epicrayban
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Michael Goff
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Yep. It allows for the nuanced 3D Feedback.
And if you compare it to the vibration from any Android phone, you'd also realize that even the normal haptics that it does just feel better.
https://m.androidcentral.com/its-2018-and-android-phones-still-cant-compare-iphones-taptic-engine
epicrayban
macrumors 604
That's cool.
I believe Apple's engineers could incorporate a headphone jack without losing the taptic engine if they wanted to.
Michael Goff
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We will have to agree to disagree on this one. If you open up the iPhone, you'll see the only remaining space after making the Taptic Engine bigger was taken up by the Barometic Vent. So the guy that put the headphone jack back in ruined his barometer.
jamezr
macrumors P6
so it it has a headphone jack it is automatically wider taller and harder to hold? Whatever.....
So you ascertain Apple's engineers aren't as good as the rest of the smartphone industry....as they can keep a headphone jack and not make phones as you describe....
Galaxy S9 weighs less and is smaller than iPhone X yet has an SD Card and headphone jack......just sayin.......
Michael Goff
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No. But if it has a Taptic Engine that is as big as the one in the X/7/8 then it has to. Space has to come from somewhere. They chose to use the space for a Barometic Vent and a Taptic Engine.
jamezr
macrumors P6
Your looking at the existing frame of the iphone X that was designed from the ground up excluding a headphone jack......then looking at it from a standpoint of where would they put it in the existing structure.
But you're missing the point.....if it was a requirement then it would have been included in the deign plans and I have no doubt would fit in the existing space...or designed the space to include it.
Michael Goff
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Okay. I can see this isn't a conversation so much se you ignoring everything I put out and saying I'm wrong. Have a nice day, and I'm sorry I took you off my ignore list.
I'm not going to make that mistake again .
jamezr
macrumors P6
That just proves my point that you have a very very narrow POV and cannot see any other POV than your own.....
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
I have no doubt any of these companies could engineer their phones with a headphone jack if they wanted to--they were doing it for years and companies like Samsung are still doing it.
What I resent is when they speak out of the other side of their proverbial mouths when choosing to omit it. Apple clearly did it to push the move to wireless, specifically towards their own products. That’s fine—their a business trying to be as profitable as possible. We're not complete morons. Stop telling us there is no way to include the taptic motor and preserve water resistance as your excuse when other companies have proven otherwise. I'd respect them much more if they just said they believe wireless is the future and they're going all in on it. Even saying they could have kept in the jack but it would've meant noticable compromises elsewhere (bigger device, less battery, etc) would’ve been better than the fake narrative they spewed on us.
I have even less respect for the conpanies who followed in their path for no other apparent reason than ‘because Apple did it’. And Google is at the top of that pile as they had the nerve to poke at Apple for doing it and than did the exact same thing the very next year.
Alright, rant over. Sorry. 😛
What I resent is when they speak out of the other side of their proverbial mouths when choosing to omit it. Apple clearly did it to push the move to wireless, specifically towards their own products. That’s fine—their a business trying to be as profitable as possible. We're not complete morons. Stop telling us there is no way to include the taptic motor and preserve water resistance as your excuse when other companies have proven otherwise. I'd respect them much more if they just said they believe wireless is the future and they're going all in on it. Even saying they could have kept in the jack but it would've meant noticable compromises elsewhere (bigger device, less battery, etc) would’ve been better than the fake narrative they spewed on us.
I have even less respect for the conpanies who followed in their path for no other apparent reason than ‘because Apple did it’. And Google is at the top of that pile as they had the nerve to poke at Apple for doing it and than did the exact same thing the very next year.
Alright, rant over. Sorry. 😛
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Nah, it's meant to be a Pixel 3/3XL info thread. We just see renders lately. Nothing new from the leak front. Will see more as it gets closer to the Pixel 3 launch. Maybe Google might move it up to avoid competing against other foes?
FelixDerKater
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Ralfi
macrumors 601
At least the renders are looking better.
You'd think Android P would invite manufacturers to fast-track bezel-less designs, or at least do away with a home button, as there would be less need for it with a gesture-based UI?
epicrayban
macrumors 604
FFR
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It’s actually because of the flexible oled screen and it’s connected display controller that Apple removed the headphone jack.
In order to eliminate the chin they needed to drop the headphone jack.
tbayrgs
macrumors 604
It’s actually because of the flexible oled screen and it’s connected display controller that Apple removed the headphone jack.
In order to eliminate the chin they needed to drop the headphone jack.
No it's not. That may allow for use of a smaller frame in the X but Apple first removed the jack in the 7, more than a year earlier in a phone using an LCD display.
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😳😛. Corrected.
FFR
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Yes they did remove it in the iPhone 7 and increased the the size of the Taptic Engine.... and they could have moved the 3.5mm jack back to the top just like Vivo did with the nex ... But they didn’t.
As for the x as you can see there is no room where the chin used to be, because the flexible display is folded on itself and connected to the display controller.
There is no room at the top because of the face is module.
He made a very valid point and you had a hissy fit. Grow up.... and Apple could easily have included a headphone jack into the X if they wanted to but they prefer to save money, its all about the bottom dollar with Apple.
Tsepz
macrumors 603
I get the feeling we may at some point have the 3.5mm jack return.
There's a lot of things happening in tech that I see sort of regressing in future, not just in smartphones a number of areas like Car infotainment systems that include climate control in the screen, etc etc... There's just some old school stuff that should be left alone until a real and proper replacement is found.
Nothing has truly replaced the 3.5mm jack. The amount of times I have forgotten to charge my headphones and have had to go back to wired ones while the BT ones charge has had me just leave my BT ones at home lately.
In actual fact in the last 2months I have been so busy that I have simply been using the wired headphones, my BT ones have been sitting in my laptop bag, still dead from the day I used them until they ran out of battery and I have been too lazy to pull them in when I can just take out the wired ones and play for as long as my phone and laptop are alive.