So, if the devs are in an endless loop of forever holding on to the latest exploit, where does that leave the JB community?
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General @Planetbeing has a 6.0.2 (6.1) JB
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Developer don't owe us anything.
We chose to purchase a locked-down device.
NEVER get something because of what you think you can do with it, or what someone promises it will be able to do "some day". Only get items that you *know* have certain functionality, and do not expect any more than that.
Ever.
Chronic have always pre-announced andusually had their exploits patched before they could be used.
Geohot just found and released, really didn't like not releasing, holding back BlackRa1n for a couple of days was very difficult for him and he ended up releasing despite knowing the problems.
The Dev Team have always consulted, listened to what people have said is in the best interest of the most people and released accordingly.
The trouble they go to to try and help as many people as possible is quite stunning.
These decisions are not made lightly and have, in the past, been the cause of more strife between devs than anything else.
There is no right or wrong answer, everyone does their best. They know a lot more than most people can imagine and all have their reasons for doing what they do.
I'm glad I don't have to make the final decision.
What community? Last one out, please turn off the lights.
Seriously though, I finally gave up and went to an Android phone. Still would like it for my iPad 3 but oh well.
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It's really, really important to understand what they are holding on to. They have an exploit of some kind which they are simply unwilling to 'burn' by making it a part of a public jailbreak. That alone should tell you something. (The only exception would be if Apple happened to fix it in 6.1, which is a possibility). It would be, "killing the golden goose", because that exploit will give them access to future versions of iOS so they can start working on future jailbreaks.
I know that some people seem to be taking the attitude of "there just won't be any more jailbreaks", but both planetbeing and MuscleNerd have chimed in and said, yes, there will be.
Take a look at the blog post here: http://www.idigitaltimes.com/articles/14532/20130114/ios-6-0-1-untethered-jailbreak-iphone.htm
Part of it is information directly from planetbeing (along with some background info from p0sixninja) which should demonstrate just how much work goes into a jailbreak, and Apple keeps raising the bar - significantly. These guys know when it's time to release a jb and when it isn't. I'm as anxious for a jb as anyone else, but we just need to be patient.
I just wish Apple would get on with releasing 6.1 >.<
This is all too confusing for me, and it seems like many others. So they are holding onto the exploit(s) so they can jailbreak future versions of iOS. Which means as somebody else mentioned earlier in this thread, it could be iOS 27 before we see another jailbreak if Apple doesn't patch the current holes. As long as these exploits aren't patched by Apple, we won't see a jailbreak.
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It's too. Not to. And it's not confusing at all. They have an exploit which they have already found 2-3 more exploits with, and if they can find a few more, they can hang on to this really good one when they release the 6.1 JB. (most jailbreaks require multiple exploits, these are all userland, not iboot or bootrom.) I'd explain it, but please just research it a bit. Google is your friend.
Thank you for correcting me. I always appreciate the grammar police.
Maybe this thread is what is confusing me. We have 12 pages of people saying entirely different things about this jailbreak.
Sooner or later Cook is going to figure out that lack of JB is one of the reasons the 5 isn't selling as well as expected. He has a rep of being more of a pragmatist than the narcissist Jobs so he has to know that a lot of iOS is getting stale and he needs to open it up.
Hmmm ok, I have a friend who has a JB'd iPhone 4S. But i should have told him to reboot his phone and see what happens....
The amount of people looking to jailbreak isn't enough to make a difference and the jailbreak community was just cut in half with the loss of installious.
People who used that are not art of the jailbreak community and have well rid of.
You have to stop worrying about how people are interpreting what planetbeing said and just focus on what he said. He hasn't said that a jailbreak will be out 2 days after 6.1 launches, he hasn't said a jailbreak will never be out, etc. All he's said is 1) there's an exploit they want to save 2) 6.1 will likely break some of the exploits he used to create an untethered jb for 6.0.2 and 3) they would need to find 1-2 more bugs once 6.1 launches to make a jailbreak feasible.
The hard part is that we're not always privy to the work being done, so it's hard to know where things stand.
I really, highly doubt the CEO of this huge company worth Billions on top of Billions is giving this much thought about this teeny tiny community of hackers. And furthermore jailbreaking is a tiny speck of iPhone buyers as it is... so the people that decide not to buy it due to the lack of a jailbreak is even more insignificant.
I do think Apple would get a lot of PR if they had a mechanism similar to what some Android phone makers have. Take HTC. You log onto their site, create an account, put in the IMEI number of your device, read the dire warnings that this will set any semblance of a warranty on fire and that doing so is at one's risk, get a file to load in the device, and it is unlocked.
Apple doing this, say for registered iOS developers, would be a big PR move and get a lot of people who are on Android back into the iOS camp. Plus, it might help Apple find new markets when someone uses their product in a new way. For example, some older phones I use as "encryption heads" for cloud storage. Copy to the file share from the device, the phone takes the file copied, encrypts it, then saves it to a cloud storage area. All completely transparent to me.
Having jailbreaks be the same mechanism that beta iOS releases are handled is a win/win/win situation on all sides. iOS devs are the least likely of anyone to use an open device for piracy. iOS devs also won't be calling Apple about their phone is broken due to faulty code. Finally, it allows company owned devices to keep internal security while letting personally owned phones to be used how the users desire.
Apple doing this, say for registered iOS developers, would be a big PR move and get a lot of people who are on Android back into the iOS camp. Plus, it might help Apple find new markets when someone uses their product in a new way. For example, some older phones I use as "encryption heads" for cloud storage. Copy to the file share from the device, the phone takes the file copied, encrypts it, then saves it to a cloud storage area. All completely transparent to me.
Having jailbreaks be the same mechanism that beta iOS releases are handled is a win/win/win situation on all sides. iOS devs are the least likely of anyone to use an open device for piracy. iOS devs also won't be calling Apple about their phone is broken due to faulty code. Finally, it allows company owned devices to keep internal security while letting personally owned phones to be used how the users desire.
They may not base their iOS engineer decisions based on the community, but they certainly pay attention to it.
Many tweaks that are baked into iOS are taken directly from jailbreak tweak makers, such as the notification changes in iOS 5.
I disagree, but I'm sure you'll be first in line when the JB comes out
I am no longer first in line and might actually have to wait until it's released to the public.
But rest assured, when asked when a JB should be released I always give my honest opinion which usually coincides with what they do. I have no idea if they take any notice of me but they seem to come to the same conclusion as I do.
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So there's exploits now, and tons of corporations are buying them.
Exactly. The problem is that Apple is too pig-headed to see reality.
Not that I disagree that Apple is stubborn - they are - but I think the majority of people with iDevices are fine with iOS the way it is. I think a lot of people have no idea what an iDevice is capable of, and what to us seems so glaringly evident as a weakness is just not on their radar screen. That Twitter petition for an open iOS - yes, I signed it - hasn't even hit 10k signatures yet. How big can the demand for an open OS really be?
Of course, the near-Orwellian double-think that goes on at Apple doesn't help either.
I read somewhere that 7%-10% of iPhone owners jailbreak. I don't know if it's true. But that would be a significant loss in sells if they jumped ship.
I personally love trying cydia apps. I rarely download an AppStore app. They don't change the functionality of the phone and I very seldomly play games.
Lockinfo and sbsettings are huge selling points for me.
I think it was an estimate by Saurik that 7-10% of unique iDevices installed cydia at one point or another, and I bet many of these are not hardcore jailbreak fans.
It was not an estimate, it was research done by a reputable company but it was 6 - 12%
After a JB is released it creeps up to 12% but when a new device is released it drops as low as 6%
Dhlizard posted a link to the talk he gave a couple of years ago at what has become jailbreakcon.
It was a great day, fantastic to meet so many great people.
A pity MN didn't go last year, but he really doesn't like people 'idolising'him - he will talk to anyone who wants to learn but really doesn't like people coming to see him for who he is rather than what he knows.