Planned Obsolescence...

Discussion in 'iOS 9' started by crashoverride77, Nov 5, 2015.

  1. crashoverride77, Nov 5, 2015
    Last edited: Nov 5, 2015

    crashoverride77 macrumors 65816

    Jan 27, 2014
    my ass.

    iPhone 5

    iPhone 5s

    I would call that a tie.
    And yes I can see that 8 is like 0.00001s faster
    And yes I can see that 9 did still drop frames such as in the weather app on first swipe
    And yes I didn't include the 4s, which was quite a bit slower on 9, because f**k the 4s.

    Can we put these planned obsolescence threads to rest now, finally. It's lack of optimisation, time constraints, different priorities and generally how software works.

    Sorry conspiracy guys.
  2. AndyK macrumors 65816


    Jan 10, 2008
    More so that because of this ridiculous "omg must get a new release out -every- year" mentality that is now the new mantra under Cook, the quality has naturally dive bombed because it's just not a sustainable model if quality and polish is the judging factor.
  3. jhuynh macrumors regular

    Oct 18, 2012
    A new version of iOS has been released every year with every new iPhone.... it has nothing to do with Cook.
  4. crashoverride77 thread starter macrumors 65816

    Jan 27, 2014
    You are probably one of those people that this thread is trying to address. If people here would think once in a while, it be a much nicer place, with a lot less battery threads 1min after release to boast. Also check what the person above wrote, iOS has yearly upgrades since its inception. It's like talking to a wall sometimes, lol.
  5. GreyOS macrumors 68040


    Apr 12, 2012
    I don't think there's planned obsolescence nor do I make a big fuss about minimal slowdown that new iOS may introduce on older devices.

    However I did find interesting that 9.2 in the iPhone 5 video was consistently fractionally slower. I find it interesting because iOS 9 was meant to make app opening faster, in at least some cases. I don't think it's now unbearably 'slow', just interesting that the claim they would open faster appears incorrect
  6. Fzang macrumors 65816


    Jun 15, 2013

    Perfectly smooth on my brand new 6S though. Lucky, eh? :rolleyes:
  7. Max(IT) Suspended


    Dec 8, 2009
    planned obsolescence exists only in the mind of serial complainers in forums like this (or as a good click-bait for youtubers).
    Apple is working hard to please customers (and make them loyal), not to piss them off....
  8. Paddle1 macrumors 68040

    May 1, 2013
    To be fair, you can't just remove the strongest argument / "proof" of this, the 4s (and other A5 devices, as underpowered as they may be...).
  9. newellj macrumors 603

    Oct 15, 2014
    Boston, MA, US
    Absolutely. What do these cavemen expect - tech that's frozen in time? iOS 9 may or may not have delivered on the promised performance benefits (objective tests like the Ars iOS 9 review suggest minimal benefits on most devices, but certainly nothing compelling), but that's a far cry from some crazy conspiracy theory.
  10. sracer macrumors 604


    Apr 9, 2010
    Not exactly. They are working hard to maximize profits and minimize expenses. Sometimes that pleases customers, sometimes it doesn't. In the midst of that battle they manage customer satisfaction and expectations. They are willing to piss off a certain segment of customers if the net result is greater profit.

    For example: There are many customers who would like the ability to downgrade their iOS device to a previous version of iOS. Allowing that would please those customers but it means that the effective life of those devices would be increased which in turn has the potential to negatively impact sales. Apple would rather tick-off those customers knowing that the number of customers who would switch to the competition as a result is less than the impact to their bottom line if they provided a way to downgrade.
  11. Act3 macrumors 68000

    Sep 26, 2014
    It is a fine line between keeping customers and shareholders happy. And in some instances the regulators depending the industry.
  12. teknikal90 macrumors 68030


    Jan 28, 2008
    Vancouver, BC
    to be fair, the 4S is four years old....
  13. BittenApple macrumors 6502a


    Nov 29, 2008
  14. Paddle1 macrumors 68040

    May 1, 2013
    But that's exactly what planned obsolescence is about.

    The fact Apple still supports it is pretty impressive though. (Maybe even a counterargument)
  15. teknikal90 macrumors 68030


    Jan 28, 2008
    Vancouver, BC
    it's not though
    That's just well past the life span of a piece of technology.
    It's like saying milk spoiling is planned obsolescence
  16. pika2000 macrumors 601

    Jun 22, 2007
    I have the iPhone 5, and I can say it is performing just fine on iOS9.
    However, I can see it not receiving any further optimizations in the future. The A6 is the last 32bit SoC. Right now, all the iDevices lineup are 64bit, so I can see Apple focusing on 64bit features and optimization on iOS 10 onwards.

    Still better than Android. There's a news on Lenovo planning to update some of its phones to Android M by September 2016, when Android N is coming. That's how silly the Android ecosystem has become.
  17. Paddle1 macrumors 68040

    May 1, 2013
    The "life span" is arbitrary and can be extended if they want it to be. (Ex the iPhone 4s or iPad 2 being supported longer than any previous iOS devices). Milk spoiling can't be controlled.

    Here's a hypothetical argument for it: The A5 chip is planned obsolescence, when they made the chip in 2011 they decided they wanted to support it through iOS 9 in 2016 for roughly 5 years of support. In reality it turns out the chip is very underpowered for 2015 but they're forced to support it as it hasn't reached the planned 2016 end-of-life yet.
  18. Max(IT) Suspended


    Dec 8, 2009
    crazy conspiracy theories came up at every single iOS release on forums like this .... in the meanwhile every iOS is better than previous....

    Says who ? you ?
    Tim Cook, and SJ before him, says customer satisfaction is their main goal. Why should I believe you and not the CEO of my favourite company ?

    Sure. they are a profit company after all.

    I'm so tired of this iPhone 4S/ipad 2 complainers .... those are ancient hardware. Do you want to still use it ? good for you, but stop whining about performance. Apple is at least giving you software support to use many recent apps.
  19. 31 Flavas macrumors 6502

    Jun 4, 2011
    So what would it be called if Apple artificially cut off the iPhone 4S, KNOWING FULLWELL, that it could run iOS 9? It's entirely transparent that Apple would be crucified for it.

    I mean, really, who is praising android phone manufacturers or cell carriers for abandoning their phones / leaving them with the original software on their phones.
  20. IJBrekke macrumors 6502

    Oct 24, 2009
    Long Beach, CA
    Apple is not directly sabotaging the software of its older devices. They're simply optimizing each release primarily for the newest hardware, which obviously means it will run less well on devices with lesser specs. They have no reason to "fix" this because deep down they want everyone to buy the latest and greatest. It always comes back to profit in the end.
  21. whodatrr macrumors 6502a


    Jan 12, 2004
    If you've ever worked for a software/hardware/OS vendor (and I bet this site os full of people who have), you begin to appreciate the challenge of supporting older architectures. Every generation back you go dramatically increases QA workloads, bug counts, man hours, support load, etc. This is baggage that slips schedules and increases cost. It also reduces R&D's ability to innovate, because at a certain point they become more focused on the supporting legacy baggage than exploiting possibilities with new architectures. It's stifling.
  22. Apples n' Stone macrumors 65816

    Apples n' Stone

    Apr 13, 2015
    Maidstone, U.K
    Exactly, and seeing everyone rabbit on about supporting old technology does not help! The idea of having to make that extra 3.5" version for another few years must be frustrating. So once more, here is a more accurate representation of what they are doing to the horse they have been beating:

  23. wbrat macrumors regular

    Sep 18, 2014
    Why the hell the weather in Cupertino differs between iOS versions?
  24. felt. macrumors 6502a

    Mar 13, 2008
    Do you have any flashy youtube videos describing how soldered on ram is all about enhancing the customers experience?

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