Planned obsolescence!

[sanke1]

Hardware companies need to sell hardware to make money. Not like they are making any money on software!

But if your software is shi* then no one would buy your hardware.

In these days, better software can truimph a good hardware.

 

[I7guy]

But if your software is shi* then no one would buy your hardware.

In these days, better software can truimph a good hardware.

So if software is garbage, no one would buy your hardware. However, apple had a few amazing quarters, ergo, since people are buying their hardware their software can't be garbage. 😀

 

[Radon87000]

So if software is garbage, no one would buy your hardware. However, apple had a few amazing quarters, ergo, since people are buying their hardware their software can't be garbage. 😀

There's a 30% cut in 6S production.And yes Apple's services and software are complete crap compared to Google and Microsoft.The hardware is where Apple shines IMO

 

[Radon87000]

Pretty much a moot point. 16 gig I'm guessing is the biggest seller. not everybody uses the phone the way you think they should or do.
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I have two 5s on 9.2 and am not sure why you think there is an issue.

16GB is the biggest seller because of the relatively huge price variance Apple charges for 64GB.All of Apple's rivals have moved on to 32GB base storage taking a hit on their margins.Time Apple did the same otherwise the way this goes we will have a 2K OLED screen,a 16MP camera a huge battery and 10 GB of storage

That is your complaint!!!! A minor imperceptible stutter that you need to truly look for to find!!! I watched the video in total at first and then had to come back and read what the issue was about in order to locate the time spot on the video. You have a lot of time on your hands to worry about minor things like this.

Minor?Its much much more noticeable in real life than in that video

 

[I7guy]

There's a 30% cut in 6S production.And yes Apple's services and software are complete crap compared to Google and Microsoft.The hardware is where Apple shines IMO

Maybe apple way over ordered to make sure there was enough stock. After a record breaking quarter they are cutting back production. You seem to be attempting connecting dots that aren't in the same universe. You certainly are entitled to your opinion, but the universe is against you on this.
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16GB is the biggest seller because of the relatively huge price variance Apple charges for 64GB.All of Apple's rivals have moved on to 32GB base storage taking a hit on their margins.Time Apple did the same otherwise the way this goes we will have a 2K OLED screen,a 16MP camera a huge battery and 10 GB of storage

Minor?Its much much more noticeable in real life than in that video

Or maybe, people want this model and want to pay a lower price. Honestly, if you think the software is garbage and they are ripping you off and your annoyed they don't want to lower their margins, you certainly have enough alternatives. Apple may scrap the 16 gig model with the iphone 7, who knows?

 

[C DM]

There's a 30% cut in 6S production.And yes Apple's services and software are complete crap compared to Google and Microsoft.The hardware is where Apple shines IMO

Is that why OS X has been and continues to be considered a great desktop operating system?

And iOS has inspired many of the aspects of smartphone operating systems (for example, Android was heading in a fairly different direction from where it ended up going after iOS was shown off).

 

[John Mcgregor]

There's a 30% cut in 6S production.And yes Apple's services and software are complete crap compared to Google and Microsoft.The hardware is where Apple shines IMO

Google and Microsoft? You got to be kidding me? Anone who has used all of them knows well tht they can and suck sometimes just as much.

From my experience Skype and OneDrive is crap. OneDrive takes forever to sync and Skype can't keep a connection. That's on 50+ Mbps Up/Down connections. Same for Google cloud apps. I have experienced basically just as many issues as with any other cloud services.

And about those orders .... Apple sells more smartphones than anyone else and basically gets all the revenue/profit from those sales, but everytime there is a RUMOUR like this it's just a pretext for doom and gloom scenarios for people like you. You think Apple can just sell iPhones to infinity?



Try to be positive about something for petes sake.

 

[Abazigal]

There's a 30% cut in 6S production.And yes Apple's services and software are complete crap compared to Google and Microsoft.The hardware is where Apple shines IMO

Has that been confirmed? Seems those are just rumours, or may not be telling the whole story? Maybe Apple is cutting production at one factory while also increasing production somewhere else because the latter is offering a better deal?

I would argue that with Apple, where they shine is integrating software and hardware to the point where the end user experience is better than the competition, even though the latter is pound-for-pound superior.

 

[iLG]

^yes Apple is focused on better user experience

 

[danleon950410]

Google and Microsoft? You got to be kidding me? Anone who has used all of them knows well tht they can and suck sometimes just as much.

When you compare services you have to try them on their own platform. Google wont be good on an iPhone, Apple wont be good on an Android, etc
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^yes Apple is focused on better user experience

Well, what a bad job are they doing these days.

I used to love this part of Apple, now i'm really having my doubts.

 

[Radon87000]

Maybe apple way over ordered to make sure there was enough stock. After a record breaking quarter they are cutting back production. You seem to be attempting connecting dots that aren't in the same universe. You certainly are entitled to your opinion, but the universe is against you on this.
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Or maybe, people want this model and want to pay a lower price. Honestly, if you think the software is garbage and they are ripping you off and your annoyed they don't want to lower their margins, you certainly have enough alternatives. Apple may scrap the 16 gig model with the iphone 7, who knows?

There is no record breaking quarter.There is no evidence the 6S outsells the 6 on an apples to apples (pun intended) comparison.The sales for the 6 did not include China and the 6s needs China to outsell the 6.In other words,the 6S did not sell well as Apple hoped which is why they reduced production.And to add to their troubles the Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge is about to be released which is why the rumoured 6c is needed to stave off the drop

Also people buy the 16GB because the price increase is pretty ridiculous.Ask any 16GB owner and you will listen to a nightmarish tale of storage woes.Heck it was almost impossible to upgrade to iOS 8 because of this model

Is that why OS X has been and continues to be considered a great desktop operating system?

And iOS has inspired many of the aspects of smartphone operating systems (for example, Android was heading in a fairly different direction from where it ended up going after iOS was shown off).

I use both OSX and Windows and Windows 10 does animations better than OSX El Capitan.El Capitan is another example of planned obsolescence on OSX as the animations were perfect on Yosemite

Has that been confirmed? Seems those are just rumours, or may not be telling the whole story? Maybe Apple is cutting production at one factory while also increasing production somewhere else because the latter is offering a better deal?

I would argue that with Apple, where they shine is integrating software and hardware to the point where the end user experience is better than the competition, even though the latter is pound-for-pound superior.

The integration is what gives them a one of a kind unique opportunity to strategise the planned obsolescence.Try as they might Samsung cannot do planned obsolescence as they have no control over the software made by Google

 

[C DM]

There is no record breaking quarter.There is no evidence the 6S outsells the 6 on an apples to apples (pun intended) comparison.The sales for the 6 did not include China and the 6s needs China to outsell the 6.In other words,the 6S did not sell well as Apple hoped which is why they reduced production.And to add to their troubles the Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge is about to be released which is why the rumoured 6c is needed to stave off the drop

Also people buy the 16GB because the price increase is pretty ridiculous.Ask any 16GB owner and you will listen to a nightmarish tale of storage woes.Heck it was almost impossible to upgrade to iOS 8 because of this model

I use both OSX and Windows and Windows 10 does animations better than OSX El Capitan.El Capitan is another example of planned obsolescence on OSX as the animations were perfect on Yosemite


The integration is what gives them a one of a kind unique opportunity to strategise the planned obsolescence.Try as they might Samsung cannot do planned obsolescence as they have no control over the software made by Google

I keep forgetting that we are using subjective perception of UI animations as the criteria as to the quality of something. I guess some similarly might find Ferrari cars as being all around subpar (and try to convince everyone else about it and draw other generalized conclusions) just because they feel their color selection just isn't as vibrant. Makes sense, right?

 

[Radon87000]

When you compare services you have to try them on their own platform. Google wont be good on an iPhone, Apple wont be good on an Android, etc
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Well, what a bad job are they doing these days.

I used to love this part of Apple, now i'm really having my doubts.

Actually Microsoft's apps are better on iOS than they are on Windows and same applies for Google

 

[Radon87000]

I keep forgetting that we are using subjective perception of UI animations as the criteria as to the quality of something. I guess some similarly might find Ferrari cars as being all around subpar (and try to convince everyone else about it and draw other generalized conclusions) just because they feel their color selection just isn't as vibrant. Makes sense, right?

Fps as shown by Xcode is a fact not an opinion.And in what universe is animation speed and fluidity not a part of performance?

 

[C DM]

Fps as shown by Xcode is a fact not an opinion.And in what universe is animation speed and fluidity not a part of performance?

The aspect of the perception that a user would have of the effect of some framedrops of some animations, that's a fairly subjective aspect of it all (and one that mostly doesn't have an effect of many people, as they don't even notice it, and is trivial at best for many of the few that do notice it if they look for it). But, good attempt of deflecting and avoiding the main part of that comment.

 

[I7guy]

There is no record breaking quarter.There is no evidence the 6S outsells the 6 on an apples to apples (pun intended) comparison.The sales for the 6 did not include China and the 6s needs China to outsell the 6.In other words,the 6S did not sell well as Apple hoped which is why they reduced production.And to add to their troubles the Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge is about to be released which is why the rumoured 6c is needed to stave off the drop

Also people buy the 16GB because the price increase is pretty ridiculous.Ask any 16GB owner and you will listen to a nightmarish tale of storage woes.Heck it was almost impossible to upgrade to iOS 8 because of this model

I use both OSX and Windows and Windows 10 does animations better than OSX El Capitan.El Capitan is another example of planned obsolescence on OSX as the animations were perfect on Yosemite


The integration is what gives them a one of a kind unique opportunity to strategise the planned obsolescence.Try as they might Samsung cannot do planned obsolescence as they have no control over the software made by Google

I forgot what were the latest iPhone 6s sales figures? Since you already know there is no record breaking quarter; and by the by where is the market heading? The rest of your post is a wee hyperbolic. Also are you anti-China? They entered a new market, like it or not.

 

[hojx]

El Capitan is another example of planned obsolescence on OSX as the animations were perfect on Yosemite

Are you serious? I'm way more satisfied with the enhancement El Capitan has over Yosemite than iOS 9 has over iOS 8.

Yosemite's Mission Control had bad stutters and it was particularly obvious due to the frequency it is accessed by all OS X users.
El Capitan made Mission Control silky smooth.

 

[Radon87000]

I forgot what were the latest iPhone 6s sales figures? Since you already know there is no record breaking quarter; and by the by where is the market heading? The rest of your post is a wee hyperbolic. Also are you anti-China? They entered a new market, like it or not.

I am talking on the basis of the launch week iPhone sales which were at 13 million vs 10 million for the 6 which proved the 6S having lower sales because of China.The production cut only forecasts the trend indicated by it.This article confirms it

http://www.businessinsider.com/iphone-sales-will-decline-2016-1?IR=T&r=UK

No hyperbole at all.There is a reason they are launching the 6C just when the Galaxy S7 is gonna be released in addition to their 6S production cut

The aspect of the perception that a user would have of the effect of some framedrops of some animations, that's a fairly subjective aspect of it all (and one that mostly doesn't have an effect of many people, as they don't even notice it, and is trivial at best for many of the few that do notice it if they look for it). But, good attempt of deflecting and avoiding the main part of that comment.

So basically you agree that performance has degraded but it doesn't matter because people don't notice it.You do realise that the situation is only going to worsen from herein

Are you serious? I'm way more satisfied with the enhancement El Capitan has over Yosemite than iOS 9 has over iOS 8.

Yosemite's Mission Control had bad stutters and it was particularly obvious due to the frequency it is accessed by all OS X users.
El Capitan made Mission Control silky smooth.

The launchpad and the Notifications bar in particular have bad animation stutters.Windows 10 manages to run smoother than OSX on my MacBook

 

[C DM]

I am talking on the basis of the launch week iPhone sales which were at 13 million vs 10 million for the 6 which proved the 6S having lower sales because of China.The production cut only forecasts the trend indicated by it.

No hyperbole at all.There is a reason they are launching the 6C just when the Galaxy S7 is gonna be released in addition to their 6S production cut

So basically you agree that performance has degraded but it doesn't matter because people don't notice it.You do realise that the situation is only going to worsen from herein

The launchpad and the Notifications bar in particular have bad animation stutters.Windows 10 manages to run smoother than OSX on my MacBook

I'm not sure how many posts and threads need to repeat this, but yes we've accepted that there are some framedrops in a few animations. Those on their own do not represent anything more than a trivial issue for most (most of whom don't even notice it). Yes, in a technical and/or pedantic sense it's not perfection and is a degradation, but in a normal life realistic sense it's not something that is anything more than what I mentioned earlier. Now there are those what have other issues and/or more pronounced issues, which is somewhat separate and different from all of that.

And, again, it's not necessarily something that will continue getting worse or won't improve. The very release cycles of iOS 7 and 8 and even 9 so far show how these things improve from the early days to latter release of each of those versions.

But, again, the point that this is coming from (that we are deflecting from) is that apparently we are judging an overall performance of a whole class of software like an OS by some framedrops in some UI animations and making sweeping over generalized conclusions that other software and operating systems are therefore surperior basically because of some frame rates of some UI animations. Just wanted to point out that again so it doesn't go overlooked given that that aspect of it is being deflected.

 

[hojx]

El Capitan is another example of planned obsolescence on OSX as the animations were perfect on Yosemite

Are you serious? I'm way more satisfied with the enhancement El Capitan has over Yosemite than iOS 9 has over iOS 8.

Yosemite's Mission Control had bad stutters and it was particularly obvious due to the frequency it is accessed by all OS X users.
El Capitan made Mission Control silky smooth.

The launchpad and the Notifications bar in particular have bad animation stutters.Windows 10 manages to run smoother than OSX on my MacBook

So you are saying Launchpad and Notification Center is worse in the current iteration of El Capitan when compared to Yosemite?

 

[Armen]

The launchpad and the Notifications bar in particular have bad animation stutters.Windows 10 manages to run smoother than OSX on my MacBook

Seriously dude just don't buy any Apple products anymore. my Mid 2012 Macbook Pro with 8GB of RAM runs El Capitan just fine. You've gone from complaining to borderline trolling at this point. Are you going to attack the Apple TV next?

 

[George Waseem]

I'm using a 10 year old computer right now. The original Mac Pro 1,1. It's just as fast as the Mac Pro we got at work that was purchased in 2013. Figure that one out.

The other thing that sucks about Apple products is even if you buy an iPhone 6 or iPhone 5s RIGHT NOW, it comes pre-loaded with the latest software whether you want it to or not. So you're not getting the OS that was optimized for that hardware unless you buy the hardware when that OS is the most current.

Also, once Apple stops signing an older OS, if you upgrade, there's no going back. So think about this for a second. Let's say I'm sitting here with iOS 8.3 and it works fine for me, however some of the iOS 9.2 features are tempting to me. I'll go on a forum and see how people are liking it. However, I have to sift through people arguing back and forth about how it lags and how it doesn't lag and it's all in the users head. Also, you have people saying stuff like "9.2 fixed almost all the lags for me and it's just as fast as 8.4.1".

So maybe after seeing some people praise the 9.2 update, I might be tempted to try it, however if I update, I can't go back. That's the part that sucks. I updated to 9.1 from 8.4.1 because A) The Music app sucked on 8.4.1 as it wasn't really designed to be a part of iOS 8 fully and B) because some people said it fixed the lagginess of 9.0 (in some ways it did and it was definitely better, but not completely fixed). Now, Apple has stopped signing 8.4.1 and now I just have to hope Apple will further optimize iOS 9 on my outdated iPhone 6, but they probably don't care about their older hardware because why would anyone buy a 6s if the 6 was just as fast?

Apple Stores sell older devices with the latest OS. Electronics or gadgets stores or even super markets mostly sell them with an old iOS as they keep a great amount of stock since the device comes out. Nothing is so tempting in iOS 9 for iPhone, pro activity is not that important, the new search bar or intelligence is just like googling, so I think iOS 9 is great for some iPads only, not iPhone or iPod touch. The only new feature on iPhone to me is the low power mode.
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When you compare services you have to try them on their own platform. Google wont be good on an iPhone, Apple wont be good on an Android, etc
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Well, what a bad job are they doing these days.

I used to love this part of Apple, now i'm really having my doubts.

Exactly I just don't know what they are just so busy in, waiting for iOS 9.2.1 beta 2 for over 2 weeks, comes out as a 20-30 Mb update with basically nothing new to notice. If apple just didnt make a good move before iOS 10, by 2017 Samsung is going to be no. 1 which I won't like as Samsung isn't good and people just buy them because they don't know what's going on in the tech world.

 

[Zwhaler]

You really believe this is a rational response in any manner?

Wait, are you implying this is not how capitalism works? His response was a little wonky but there is some truth to it.
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Apple is in a difficult predicament when it comes to iOS upgrades:

- If Apple doesn't allow a 3 year old device to upgrade to the latest iOS people cry "Planned obsolescence!. They want me to buy a new phone to get the new features!"
- If Apple allows a 3 year old device to upgrade to the latest version of iOS people cry "Planned obsolescence!. They made it run slow on purpose so I'd have to buy a new phone!"

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Wait, are you implying this is not how capitalism works? His response was a little wonky but there is some truth to it.
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This basically sums it up

 

[MEJHarrison]

Also people buy the 16GB because the price increase is pretty ridiculous.Ask any 16GB owner and you will listen to a nightmarish tale of storage woes.Heck it was almost impossible to upgrade to iOS 8 because of this model

Not true at all. I actually did speak to a 16GB owner this past weekend (my 13 year old son). He told me he browses the web and watches stuff on YouTube and that he's never had space issues and didn't need anything more (though I got him the 64GB anyway just in case). I'm also friends with a number of people with 16GB who have no issues.

For us power users, we can't fathom how anyone could possibly make a mere 16GB work (my phone and pad are 128GB). But trust me, they exist. And in larger numbers than anyone gives them credit for. They just aren't the type of users who typically join sites like this (though I've seen a few here who say 16GB is more than enough for them).

Not everyone out there uses their devices as mini computers and not everyone out there actually needs or desires all that memory.

 

[Alrescha]

Not everyone out there uses their devices as mini computers and not everyone out there actually needs or desires all that memory.

My phone is the device of last resort (when I'm away from home, and didn't bring an iPad with me). As such, I always buy the smallest one available (8GB original iPhone, 16GB iPhone 4S), and I've never come close to using half of that space.

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