iPad Pro Planning to buy a 12.9" iPad Pro...Need opinions

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  1. applejack12 macrumors newbie

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    Hello.
    I had enough bad experience with laptops (3 out of my 4 laptops have heat problems, including my 15" MBP 2011). That's why I have to be very careful with my next buying decision. This time, I am considering buying a 12.9" iPad Pro and use it as my daily productivity device. I am not looking to replace my desktop with the device, but to use it as an extension to my desktop. Since 70% of my usage are quite light-weighted, I think buying a MBP for my purpose is a bit overkill here.

    70% of my usage:
    • Web browsing
    • Read and edit documents
    • Note-taking
    • Entertainments (Musics, videos)
    • Email
    So,
    1. What do you think about my buying decision this time? Do you think iPad Pro can fulfill my requirements?
    2. To those who tried iOS 11, do you think the upgrade this time can change iPad Pro into a more efficient device?
     
  2. whg macrumors regular

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    I now have the new 12.9" iPad Pro and there is no doubt it would be very capable for your 70% of usage. But what about the remaining 30%? For me, I still need a notebook for most of my job related work. Even if the part I couldn't do with my iPad was only 1% I would still need a PC.

    I have tested iOS11 on my previous 12.9" iPad (2015) and this experience was good enough that I upgraded to the new version and sold the old one. There were still enough small issues that I decided to wait for the official iOS11 release for my new iPad.

    As I already had the Apple Pencil and Smart Keyboard, I was able to max out the new iPad (512GB Cellular). I received it just yesterday, after being one long week without an iPad; and I'm very happy with my new device.
     
  3. alecgold macrumors 6502a

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    Indeed, what is the remaining 30%? If you can’t do those on an iPP it might seriously hamper you.
    I have an old Macmini that is tucked away in a corner. No screen, but I can jump desktop to it and do the odd/rare thing I need to do on OSX. But odd/rare is about 0,5% or less of my time. And that is no bluff, that is serious less then 0,5% of my time. I go weeks without logging into my MacMini. But if you would need to buy an 12.9 and a laptop, that might be a bit expensive for your budget.

    OTOH I have the 12.9 and am really happy with it. Hell, I even bought the 10.5 to complement the set :)
    Joking, the 10.5 is brilliant for EDC, reading pocket sized books, note-taking like you would 10 years ago on a A5 notepad, reference book, law text book etc.
    But for the first 8 months the Pro was available I did it with “just” the 12.9.
    if I could only have one device it would be the 12.9.
    The 12.9 is brilliant for reading comics, reading and annotating documents, magazines and browsing websites.
    Certainly if you buy the ASK and Pencil with it, you have a mighty fine set.

    iOS 11 is really a great update. It changes some things but also gives a few new features that improve use/capabilities.
     
  4. SDColorado macrumors 65816

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    I would agree with whg that the 12.9" iPP would be capable of doing that 70% light lifting you mention easily, particularly with the the Smart Keyboard. You didn't mention what your plan was for the other 30%, holding on to the 1-4 laptop that doesn't have heat problems for doing that work?

    IOS 11 seems promising so far, though I get the occasional glitch on my phone, but the beta is still fairly young. I don't know that we have seen all the new features that may make it to the final release yet, but I also don't know that we will see anything game changing enough to allow you to use your iPP to complete the other 30% of your workload either. Also like whg, there are some things that I just absolutely cannot do with my iPad, which makes the idea of iPad as my only device a non-starter for me.
     
  5. akash.nu macrumors 68020

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    Your 70% workload can be achieved on any iPad to be honest. In fact pro is a bit of an overkill for that matter. I just feel like 12.9 is a bit too big for me to carry around.
     
  6. applejack12 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thank you for your replies. As to the remaining 30% of my usage (i.e. circuit simulations, machine learning stuff, programming, etc), all of them can be done in my desktop. I have been using iPad for few years now. What I like about iPad is that it gives a better experience when comes to reading which is basically 80% of my daily activity and 12.9" display is going to make the reading experience more pleasant.
     
  7. Relentless Power macrumors G5

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    The Reason I would suggest the 12.9 iPad Pro in your situation, is you seem to be in desktop mode, where you like having ability to use the iPad for editing/note taking and other media capabilities, similarly to your MacBook Pro. Something else to consider, is maybe you can add the smart keyboard as a later investment where you can use the iPad for more mobility and then using a desktop if you so choose for your situation.
     
  8. alecgold macrumors 6502a

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    The remaining 30% can’t be done on an iPad, but as you have been using one, you’ll know that.

    If you are able/willing to invest some time, you could make some new workflows/ learn some new apps for iOS that make it more efficient. First weeks I tried the 12.9 I was really inefficient. Then I invested 3 whole consecutive days to adjust and it helped a lot. Macrumors/google/App Store was my friend those days and it worked wonders.

    Another thing you might find is hat you are able to hang in a hammock, sit in a cafe, University library, in the car (not while driving :) ) wherever and be more comfortable. you’re not just bound to a desk/dinner table. With a small iPad it’s less “in your face”/handy/more manageable. But the real estate the 12.9 offers is certainly a pro as well. I read some law magazines in pdf and those are brilliant in real life size.

    Another thing I experience is less distraction.
    Everything is full screen and where I find full screen annoying on OSX, on iOS it’s logic, natural.
    Because there is just one screen open, I tend to have less distractions and be able to be more efficient. Also I have more satisfaction from the work that I do, because it is less cut up.
    All this is highly circumstantial, not very scientific, but it is how I feel / experience it and that is valid as well.
     
  9. yep-sure macrumors 6502

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    Any iPad can do what you need it to do, not just a Pro. However I recommend the 12.9" Pro as it's much more versatile and will allow you to remote into your desktop so you could do some of your coding, etc on the go.
     
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    12.9 is good for your use.
    --- Post Merged, Jul 2, 2017 ---
    No it is not, People buy and carry 15 and 13 MAC pros, 12.9 is lighter than them.
     
  11. applejack12 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Here's my thought process
    iPad Pro > Laptops
    • Save some money. Since I already have a very capable desktop that can do everything I throw at it, now what I want is a fast and portable computer. I have considered MBP and Dell XPS 13 but they are very expensive and I'm scared of getting another defect. On the other hand, iPad Pro is cheaper and seems to be able to fulfill my daily needs. For heavy-weight stuff, I will just use my desktop instead.
    12.9" iPad Pro > 9.7" normal iPad
    • Larger display which means better reading experience, more suited for multi-tasking. I'm also used to large displays.
    • More ram. When doing research using Safari, I like to open a lot of tabs. Sometimes, my iPad Air 2 slows down and crashes when there are too many tabs. So I think that having more rams might solve this problem.
    • Faster. I hate delays.
    Another question:
    What do you think of Apple Smart Keyboard? Is it high quality? It seems flimsy to me. I'm actually thinking of getting a Apple Magic Keyboard alongside 12.9" iPad Pro for document composition. I guess on-screen keyboard is sufficient for web-browsing and short text editing.
     
  12. annk Administrator

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    I'm very impressed with it. Mine has held up well now for many months, and it's very comfortable for typing. I was worried it would be too flimsy to hold the device well, but it's surprisingly sturdy.
     
  13. Relentless Power macrumors G5

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    The Apple smart keyboard is fairly high quality. I really like the carpet like fabric to appeal to it and It has a soft texture to it. What's nice about it, is also serve as a cover for the iPad for portability/protection.
     
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    No it is not good, It frayed the left side of my iPP 12.9 first generation over a year, Not noticable a lot but it did that, Now with my new iPP 12.9 2017 i go for leather sleeve instead and gonna leave my smart keyboard.
     
  15. alecgold macrumors 6502a

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    12.9 is seriously beter then the 2017 ipad. It better be for that price difference, but it is so indeed.
    4Gb of ram and enough "disk" space will make it a rather future proof device. 120Hz screen is nice you'll get used to it, but it's nice, pencil is awesome for several things. A4/Letter sized screen is brilliant. Not just landscape, but also portrait! I love it. How did we do so long without? :)

    ASK.
    I've had one for 20 months now and it has been replaced twice. (So technically I have had three). Both times it gave the message "this device is not recognized" One time I called and the wanted the keyboard back, other time they just send out a new one. Latest seem to be better, I've had that for well over 12 months now and it is still going strong. I have the idea the later versions have been better/more reliable/less fragile in their printed cables that are inside the hinges.
    And typing on it is fine, even better (IMHO) when compared to the Magic Smart Keyboard/Macbook 12" it's a tiny bit mushy but it gives a clear indication when a key has registered. Also it's a relative silent keyboard, which I like when typing away at the university library.
    But having a keyboard with you 100% if the time without any hassle is it's biggest feature.


    That brings me to: Defects.
    If you iPad doesn't live up it's hype within 14 days return it to apple. I don't like doing that, but Apple hasn't made any fuss. When there is a defect, even if it's minor, they are great as well.
    I had a yellow spot in the display of my iPhone 6 and when I was in the neighborhood I went by the store. Showed it to the guy, said I felt like a big d!çk but it annoyed me asked if they new if something could be done about it. They changed it on the spot! That wasn't even my intention, but he said that I paid for a good device, so I should get one.
    I once had an iPhone 6+ (was to big for me, but that's another story) I did bend it backwards when hanging over scaffolding (heels behind a pipe, upper leg against another one and reaching out, they don't teach you that in safety class :eek::mad:). I had Apple Care + and they are great. Changed it without being difficult.
    And you can argue that it's expensive itself, that AC+ is costly, but compare it to a car: you drive a fully loaded Renault Megan's (European bucket of electronics). It costs you close to €55.000 and within the first 6 months you have 8 (eight) times to be towed away because it wouldn't do anything anymore. You know what the dealer says? That's 1800 bucks for a new computer, 4000 to overhaul the engine, etc. Etc. Took a full court case to get his money back. Serious, friend of mine had it.
    Or bought a brand new build house with 1500 defects/not to spec for 650.000?
    So I do expect good service when I buy an expensive product, but it's absolutely no guarantee.
     
  16. SDColorado macrumors 65816

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    I am actually enjoying the Smart Keyboard a *lot* more than I thought I would on the 12.9”. I had previously tried one on my 9.7” and found it too cramped and returned it. At first I thought it was a bit flimsy and gimmicky, but I have come around on that thinking after more extended use. It’s much more solid than it looks and the typing experience is actually pleasant.

    There are times I wish it was backlit, like while sitting out on the deck last night, but I can touch type just fine, once I get my hands in position. I just have a hard time finding the home keys in the dark sometimes :)

    I had thought about the Logitech keyboard at the time of purchase, but trying it out, I found it heavier and thicker than I wanted. I think it was as heavy and thick as the tablet itself, maybe more so.
     
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    Some really sound advice in this thread. I would add I enjoy the Smart Keyboard a lot more than I thought I would too. I type very fast on it, and it's quite comfortable. It does not feel flimsy and I love the fact that it can become an instant smart cover for the device too.

    OP, I think you'll enjoy the 12.9" iPad as it will serve the primary needs you mention in the initial post. You always have 14 days to return it if you do not like it.
     
  18. akash.nu macrumors 68020

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    If I was gonna carry that big of a tablet then I'd rather choose 13" MacBook which is way more powerful and versatile for every possible work. Maybe only not gaming.
     
  19. italodance, Jul 2, 2017
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    Gaming? Who said Game? Do you wanna buy a tablet for gaming? Nintendo Switch over there. I prefer Tablets to Laptops just it is madness the device is heavy then NO!

    Many devices are heavy like Surface Pro which is heavier than 12.9 so i have to to say don't want it and go for a laptop with more weight instead. This is a crazy notion.

    You said powerful? Did you know 12.9 is powerful than mac pro? You are late bro.
     
  20. DNichter macrumors 68030

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    I think iPad is a good choice for you, but I would be weary of the 12.9. If being mobile is of any importance to you, I’d consider the 10.5. If you plan on using if mostly at a desk or table, the 12.9 is a great fit. To me, 10.5 is the best balance.
     
  21. applejack12 thread starter macrumors newbie

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    Thank you all. Your inputs sure help me in deciding on buying an iPad Pro.

    I did consider getting an iPad Pro 10.5" since it is cheaper and more portable than 12.9". However, 10.5" is a little too restricted for multi-tasking. TBH, I'm a strong believer that multi-tasking can hamper our ability to focus but sometimes it's nice to have 2 tabs of safari side by side when researching a topic. That's one of the reason that I prefer 12.9" over 10.5".
     
  22. yep-sure macrumors 6502

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    Don't listen to anyone who says the 12.9" is somehow not portable or is only good to use on a desk.

    In reality it's just as portable, comfortable and easy to use as any other iPad is, which is MUCH more portable than any laptop.

    So if a laptop is portable enough for you to consider purchasing it, then the portability of a 12.9" would not be an issue for you.

    People here make out like transporting/using a 12.9" iPad is more akin to a 27" 5K iMac than it is a 10.5" iPad.

    The versatility of the 12.9" makes it seem like the most suitable purchase for you.
     
  23. bcaslis macrumors 68020

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    I’ve had both a 12.9 iPad Pro and a 12” MacBook and the MacBook was more portable. For me the problem with the 12.9 is that it is just too large to use single handed for any period of time. If they could get the weight of the 12.9 down to one pound and reduce the bezel size it would be much more attractive. But I did love the onscreen keyboard on the 12.9.
     
  24. SDColorado macrumors 65816

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    Agreed, the 12.9" is easy to transport. I throw it in one of the panniers on my motorcycle or in the car a easily as a legal pad.
     
  25. yep-sure macrumors 6502

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    How do you use a 12" MacBook one handed?

    And I know I'm in the minority, but I actually think the bezels are necessary when using the iPad in portrait mode.
     

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