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PlayFair - Stripping AAC DRM
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padrino121 said:
oh, just didn't know that. I hope somebody comes up with some code to strip the DRM out of WMA files... I'm just wondering how Cnet and the eternal Mac basher news sites are gonna react to this...
It's not like I'm against more "rights" with your music, but I think people who have bought music from iTMS knew all along that there were rules as to how you can use those files. Don't like that? Then buy a CD.
Anyway, if you wanna use the code because you need it or because you want to share files, then do that.
If not, well... duh.
But in any case, I can see the headlines coming in a little while
"iTunes hacked!!", ''Apple is not immune after all", blah blah blah...
lol, I dont know why everyone seems to be saying if you dont like the ITMS terms and conditions, buy a CD. You seem to forget there are other online music store options out there, with many more to come in the future (the biggest, no doubt, will be the Virgin online store). So if you have a problem with ITMS, just go with another store. Of course, you'll have to ditch your iPod. I'm not sure what type of DRM the other stores are using, but if it suits your needs better, go for another MP3 player and Music store.
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AhmedFaisal
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I think its a good tool!
For a simple reason. The way the tool works, it requires you to have a legal copy of the DRM-AAC. All it does is make it possible for you to play that AAC without loss of quality (due to reencoding) on any non Apple device (the PC doesn't count because you have to run Apple iTunes in order to play your music). I for example own a Roku Soundbrige which understands AAC and even iTunes Playlists but it can't play iTMS AACs because Apple refuses to licence their DRM technology to 3rd party hardware producers. While I can understand that from a business point of view I absolutely hate it as a user. This tool enables me to circumvent that problem without loss of quality and do something I should be able to without all this BS: Playing my Music that I legally own on whatever device I choose. That is all. If Apple decides to change their licencing policy and licence their DRM to Roku, I will be the first to move the crack tool to the Trashbin.
Cheers,
Ahmed
For a simple reason. The way the tool works, it requires you to have a legal copy of the DRM-AAC. All it does is make it possible for you to play that AAC without loss of quality (due to reencoding) on any non Apple device (the PC doesn't count because you have to run Apple iTunes in order to play your music). I for example own a Roku Soundbrige which understands AAC and even iTunes Playlists but it can't play iTMS AACs because Apple refuses to licence their DRM technology to 3rd party hardware producers. While I can understand that from a business point of view I absolutely hate it as a user. This tool enables me to circumvent that problem without loss of quality and do something I should be able to without all this BS: Playing my Music that I legally own on whatever device I choose. That is all. If Apple decides to change their licencing policy and licence their DRM to Roku, I will be the first to move the crack tool to the Trashbin.
Cheers,
Ahmed
nmk said:
As many other online music stores gladly greet me with the "you need to have windows" message that deters me from using them. But it's not only that but the quality of some of them... most of them. iTunes, IMO, is a better experience overall. If I can't find something in iTunes, I get the CD. I don't want files in WMA (
) and I certainly don't want to ditch my iPod... (to get a Dell DJ? hah) So for me at least, if it's not iTunes it's a regular music store.
So, have I got all this right? Every track on iTMS is currently available for free on Kazaa and co? Some people have stripped the DRM from some of the 50 million plus tracks purchased from iTunes Music Store. Instead of removing the DRM via a legal 5 minute burn to a CD, some people now have an original quality AAC track via a convoluted illegal power user process. Having said that, not every track that goes through this process has been successfully de DRM-ed, and even successfully stripped tracks might or might not crash QT or iTunes?
So where to from here? Presumably Apple are going to do some techno stunt to move the goal posts so that tracks purchased from hereon in wont be able to be stripped down by the determined few using the exact same process just released on the internet. Hopefully Apple anticipated this, and before the next assault Apple will have launched a full range of audio related gadgets under Apple brand,and done a few more HPod style deals to increase customer choice, all topped off with the launch the next version of iTunes with batch conversion of every non AAC format out there.
So where to from here? Presumably Apple are going to do some techno stunt to move the goal posts so that tracks purchased from hereon in wont be able to be stripped down by the determined few using the exact same process just released on the internet. Hopefully Apple anticipated this, and before the next assault Apple will have launched a full range of audio related gadgets under Apple brand,and done a few more HPod style deals to increase customer choice, all topped off with the launch the next version of iTunes with batch conversion of every non AAC format out there.
I don't see the point
I played my itms purchased songs on my macs and stereo.
It is very simple just run a wire from the line out of the playing mac to the one of the inputs on the stereo or get a wireless line transmitter they are about $50 USD and you can "broadcast" your music all over the house. This hack, app or whatever is called is not worth the effort...
You can also just plug you ipod to the stereo.. duh!!
I played my itms purchased songs on my macs and stereo.
It is very simple just run a wire from the line out of the playing mac to the one of the inputs on the stereo or get a wireless line transmitter they are about $50 USD and you can "broadcast" your music all over the house. This hack, app or whatever is called is not worth the effort...
You can also just plug you ipod to the stereo.. duh!!
CD's
Buying CDs is niver anyway. At least when it's real music and not some bloody Britney Spears.
But this app really sucks. Wonder how Apple will react to it in the next few days...
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Buying CDs is niver anyway. At least when it's real music and not some bloody Britney Spears.
But this app really sucks. Wonder how Apple will react to it in the next few days...
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I honestly don't think that this will warrant a very large response from Apple; if it's ackknowledged/addressed at all. So long as its usage is kept largely personal, and the files aren't distributed anywhere (At least most of them), then there shouldn't be a problem. This technology has been avalible for months; and we've yet to see any response to Apple. This app just makes things easier. Look at it from a monitary perspective. As long as money keeps coming in, the record companies are happy. And as long as the money actually lost by an app like this (Which in all honesty is little to none at the present time) is less than the R&D required for apple to successfully re-engineer FairPlay, I don't see any delays or changes in that regard any ime soon.
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AhmedFaisal
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I was waiting for this....
LOL, why not post a chinese or korean site (no offense to those nationalities meant). Russian "Copyright" Laws are not even worth the paper they are printed on. Do you actually thing that place legally owns the stuff they distribute?
Cheers,
Ahmed
nmk said:
LOL, why not post a chinese or korean site (no offense to those nationalities meant). Russian "Copyright" Laws are not even worth the paper they are printed on. Do you actually thing that place legally owns the stuff they distribute?
Cheers,
Ahmed
nmk said:
Ha, if that doesn't look like a scam. Looks like a high tech version of boot leg CDs on the street corner.
While it may be "legal" in some unknown russian state the legal text pretty much states you are still liable under local laws. So if you use this legal service you might get a knock on the door by RIAA, jeez your probably less likely to get caught on p2p.
"Users are held liable for the use and distribution of the MediaServices site information materials according to local legislation. "
True, it may not be completely (or even partially) legit. However, it is much more sophisticated than selling bootleg CD's on the streetcorner. The site is actually very well developed. Believe me, my countries copyright laws are even worst than Russia's. So this just saves me a lot of trouble. The RIAA is anyway, in conjunction with Apple (and various other partners), ripping off the general public. Somehow I don't feel guilty about not contributing money to help make Shakiras a** even hotter than it already is.
I'm really not sure what all the hubbub is all about. This app really just takes one step out of an already existing process. QTConvert could convert m4p (protected AAC) files into aiff files, which iTunes could then convert to m4a (unprotected AAC) with little or no loss from the original m4p (based on a could of attempts and comparisons that I've made).
So, in any event, it's really not that big a deal. DRM will always be broken. I can't imagine Apple or RIAA imagined that it wouldn't be. Also, I think that it's likely that the majority of iTMS users won't know about this or any other method of stripping the DRM from the files. So, all in all, I really think that this is a non-issue.
So, in any event, it's really not that big a deal. DRM will always be broken. I can't imagine Apple or RIAA imagined that it wouldn't be. Also, I think that it's likely that the majority of iTMS users won't know about this or any other method of stripping the DRM from the files. So, all in all, I really think that this is a non-issue.
nmk said:
alright, fine you can look at it like this - ITMS is part of what you buy when you get an iPod. The store itself hardly makes any money. I am pretty darn sure that apple would never have invested in such a risky and low margin business if it wasn't to drive their iPod sales. It's a service for ipod users, not a business on its own.
Not long: OS X Cocoa GUI coming soon ...SiliconAddict said:
Regardless of whether or not FairPlay DRM would eventually be circumvented or cracked, I think it would have been a less significant issue if Apple had *already* provided a way to "legitimately" play m4p files on other devices/systems. Hacks like PlayFair will likely increase negative publicity and perceptions about these issues in the mainstream. Then Apple may react in ways that cause more negative side effects. Seems like there's a damaging "war on drugs" mentality to this.
While I won't judge anyone's intentions for using a program like this I have no interest in helping them.xparrot said:
Why should this forum be a place for the kind of clueless handholding this person is asking for? If it's that important I say let him/her figure it out and maybe even learn something in the process, and/or get help somewhere else. Or wait for the GUI.
Grumble.
I appreciate your taking the time to tell us all why you're not going to help this guy. That kind of community spirit is what forums like this are all about!sjk said:
I must admit, of 250 people, I bet somebody's asked this...
This sucks pretty sufficiently because apple's whole strategy w/ iTMS/itunes is to use them to sell the ipod and make money there, and now people can use other players. But, you must admit, that it is pretty monopolistic behavior on apple's part, and so it's not so cool, but it's apple, and on this site, we gladly excuse them. I mean, hey, they're leveraging their power a bit unfairly, but they don't have that much power to leverage, and, they make better stuff anyway.
But, that I'm sure has all been said. The thing that worries me, is that record labels and artists wil not be fans, and won't be willing to sell their stuff through ITMS, but will support vendors of the yet-uncracked WMA format. Because if apple looses ipod profits, it's lost profits, but if apple looses the whole music market, profitable or not, they loose a hell of a lot of attention, and I don't think any of us want any less market share or attention from software makers. GRRRRRRRRR.
This sucks pretty sufficiently because apple's whole strategy w/ iTMS/itunes is to use them to sell the ipod and make money there, and now people can use other players. But, you must admit, that it is pretty monopolistic behavior on apple's part, and so it's not so cool, but it's apple, and on this site, we gladly excuse them. I mean, hey, they're leveraging their power a bit unfairly, but they don't have that much power to leverage, and, they make better stuff anyway.
But, that I'm sure has all been said. The thing that worries me, is that record labels and artists wil not be fans, and won't be willing to sell their stuff through ITMS, but will support vendors of the yet-uncracked WMA format. Because if apple looses ipod profits, it's lost profits, but if apple looses the whole music market, profitable or not, they loose a hell of a lot of attention, and I don't think any of us want any less market share or attention from software makers. GRRRRRRRRR.
i personally don't care what apple or the riaa think about this app. i have a use for this, and i'm probably going to use it. i bought a couple of things from the itunes music store, and regret it, due to the somewhat low quality of the tracks (compared to cd), and it being overpriced for what it is. i mean, the new modest mouse album came out today and it costs about $16 (16 tracks, have to buy each one seperately, no full album purchase). i went to the record store today and got the same album for under $10. and you can get it on amazon for like $10.38 or something. whatever, i'm just sick of this pussyfooting crap.
regarding apple licensing their drm, they really need to do that quickly, or they're going to be in trouble real quick. i realize that there is a possibility that it could cut into their profits, but nothing else is compatible with the itms tracks, and consumers are going to get pretty irritated at that pretty quickly (and judging by the length of this thread, already are). maybe it's already been said (didn't read the past few pages of the thread), but maybe apple should enable wma in the ipod. there's really no reason not to that i can see, if the major sale of the itms is the ipod, why not let other downloading services promote the ipod too.
regarding apple licensing their drm, they really need to do that quickly, or they're going to be in trouble real quick. i realize that there is a possibility that it could cut into their profits, but nothing else is compatible with the itms tracks, and consumers are going to get pretty irritated at that pretty quickly (and judging by the length of this thread, already are). maybe it's already been said (didn't read the past few pages of the thread), but maybe apple should enable wma in the ipod. there's really no reason not to that i can see, if the major sale of the itms is the ipod, why not let other downloading services promote the ipod too.
Frisco said:
or hes just waiting til OS 11 comes out so he can include all features from 10.0-11.0 in Longhorn and say M$ had 150,000 industry firsts!
dontmatter said:
sorry i couldnt resist. its loses.. not looses!!!! loose= looses lose= loses loss=losses
bathysphere said:
again and again: it ain't gonna be like a CD!
If you can perceive the difference between AAC and a CD and are bothered by it, then don't buy AAC files... duh!
You're better off buying a CD, but... of all the other music stores, obviously the highest quality is for iTunes.