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Ahmed, I'm trying to make sure I have your set of QT codec suggestions straight; I prefer the QT Player interface, so I generally try to play stuff with that even if VLC can handle it as well (seems like at this point VLC plays basically everything you throw at it, with few exceptions; it even has partial support for the old Indeo and i263 codecs at this point; they seem to almost play).

As far as I can tell, if you have both the DivX and 3ivx codecs installed, QT can handle almost anything; the DivX codec fixes the sound synch issues on most .avi files, and 3ivx knows how to decode DivX, XviD, and 3ivx video. It sounded like you were suggesting installing an actual XviD codec, but is that necessary, since 3ivx seems quite capable of handling it? Am I missing something?

Incidentally, there are also some funky MSMPG 41 and 42 Quicktime components floating around, although they really don't seem to work very well.

One more thing:
AhmedFaisal said:
As for the film industry, I have to say, if its a good movie and you like it, you should buy it, there is one exception I make though. Foreign films (Japanese anime for example). As long as **** gets edited and hacked, the story distorted by bad quality dubs and bad translation subtitles I will keep downloading fansubs.
That seems totally backwards to me; the film industry spends $100M on a movie, and if they're lucky and it panders to the lowest common denominator well enough, with enough advertising, it'll gross $300M at the box office, but people (writers, for example) who agreed to a percentage of the profits never see any of that, because the film somehow miraculously doesn't actually earn any "profits". I hate piracy, but if you're going to priate, they seem like as much of a target as anybody.

Take a little anime translation studio like AnimEigo, Tokyopop, or Hirameki International, on the other hand, and they have maybe a half dozen people working their butts off to translate anime and put it out on reasonably priced DVDs (keep in mind that a US-release DVD costs probably a fifth what the same show does in Japan), but you rationalize not paying for their work because they're not doing a good enough job?

Now, if you're talking about an edited series like DBZ or Sailormoon, where (until recently, in the case of the latter) the studio does not make an uncut or subtitled version available, there's an argument. But the vast majority of anime on US-release DVD has a solid subtitle track and is entirely uncut. If you're going to pirate the videos you watch, it'd be less insulting if you didn't try to justify it that way.

By your logic you should be watching fansubs, but buying import anime videos, so you're properly paying for what you watch, but not supporting the US company botching the translation.

(Incidentally, I'm not just blowing smoke--I know my anime; I write reviews, I speak enough Japanese to know when the subtitles are badly translated, and I've done fansubs myself--completely on a Mac, in .avi format, with XviD video and MP3 audio, which play just fine in Quicktime.)
 
Makosuke said:
Ahmed, I'm trying to make sure I have your set of QT codec suggestions straight; I prefer the QT Player interface, so I generally try to play stuff with that even if VLC can handle it as well (seems like at this point VLC plays basically everything you throw at it, with few exceptions; it even has partial support for the old Indeo and i263 codecs at this point; they seem to almost play).

As far as I can tell, if you have both the DivX and 3ivx codecs installed, QT can handle almost anything; the DivX codec fixes the sound synch issues on most .avi files, and 3ivx knows how to decode DivX, XviD, and 3ivx video. It sounded like you were suggesting installing an actual XviD codec, but is that necessary, since 3ivx seems quite capable of handling it? Am I missing something?

Incidentally, there are also some funky MSMPG 41 and 42 Quicktime components floating around, although they really don't seem to work very well.

The Xvid.component is necessary if you don't want to use the 3ivX codec. Sorry I didn't say that more clear. Xvid.component is basically an addon for the DivX.com codec that will allow it to play back Xvid, the reason why DivX doesn't have Xvid playback built-in is because of the sour relationship DivX.com has to the Xvid Developers.
As for the MS-MPEG41 and 42 codecs, those don't work well with Quicktime 6.5, you should get the FFmpeg based FFusion codec for those. Unfortunately, MP3 audio doesn't work with those FOURCCs as the AVI Importer doesn't recognize them... but we are trying to soul massage AdrianB from DivX.com to change that.

Makosuke said:
That seems totally backwards to me; the film industry spends $100M on a movie, and if they're lucky and it panders to the lowest common denominator well enough, with enough advertising, it'll gross $300M at the box office, but people (writers, for example) who agreed to a percentage of the profits never see any of that, because the film somehow miraculously doesn't actually earn any "profits". I hate piracy, but if you're going to priate, they seem like as much of a target as anybody.

Take a little anime translation studio like AnimEigo, Tokyopop, or Hirameki International, on the other hand, and they have maybe a half dozen people working their butts off to translate anime and put it out on reasonably priced DVDs (keep in mind that a US-release DVD costs probably a fifth what the same show does in Japan), but you rationalize not paying for their work because they're not doing a good enough job?

Now, if you're talking about an edited series like DBZ or Sailormoon, where (until recently, in the case of the latter) the studio does not make an uncut or subtitled version available, there's an argument. But the vast majority of anime on US-release DVD has a solid subtitle track and is entirely uncut. If you're going to pirate the videos you watch, it'd be less insulting if you didn't try to justify it that way.

By your logic you should be watching fansubs, but buying import anime videos, so you're properly paying for what you watch, but not supporting the US company botching the translation.

(Incidentally, I'm not just blowing smoke--I know my anime; I write reviews, I speak enough Japanese to know when the subtitles are badly translated, and I've done fansubs myself--completely on a Mac, in .avi format, with XviD video and MP3 audio, which play just fine in Quicktime.)

I am not talking about AnimEigo, and the other "good" studios, hell I poured a ton of bucks into them when I first bought the Orange Road LD set and subsequently the DVD set. Same goes for other releases by those guys. But most stuff I watch comes out fansub first so I pick from those what I really like and wait for the US release, and then a little longer to find out what Animeprime or other sites that look for editing and sub/dub perversions have to say about it, or I try to find ways to look at an episode or two before I put down the money. If there I find that either scenes were edited out or translations were distorted to conform with some cultural nonsense or whatever I don't buy it. Its not that I don't buy Anime stuff, I do, and a lot of it too, but have absolutely no tolerance for deliberate distortions of the content, be that by editing out stuff or changing the translation so that someone's moral preferences are not disturbed. That bugs the hell out of me and I hate shelling money out for that. As for the buying import DVDs, in fact, those are a big preference on my side as many of them start to have english subs nowadays. And besides that, most shows run on Free-TV over there, so its not really like I am stealing anything. Nevertheless, I do try to buy the stuff that I want to watch more than once. But I refuse to spend money on it if it is not done properly as I tried to clarify above. And, again, I don't mean little glitches but deliberate changes to the translation, that I totally do not tolerate.
Cheers,

Ahmed
 
Ok, Ahmend, that cleared up what you were saying on both parts.

On the former topic, sticking to the 3ivx codec seems like the "safest" route, and the easiest to explain to others (I've been trying to put together a "fansub watching on the Mac" tutorial, so this was particularly interesting to me). Besides, VLC makes such a good fallback that I haven't bothered to massage QT into playing the few things that are left--if it falls through the cracks, I just throw it at VLC and call it good.

On the latter topic, your stance is a lot more reasonable than I was reading it at first (never thought I'd run into somebody else who bought the KOR LD set on here!), and I wish most people were that "honorable" about their fansub downloading. I'd have a fit if I were forced to watch some of ADV's "creative" dubs (thankfully, their subs are usually 99% accurate, even on those titles).

Gotta say on the topic of "imports" with English subtitles, nothing makes me madder than people who sell bootleg (HK) imports--the only thing worse than stealing your anime is paying somebody else to steal it for you. Fansubbers definitely get the moral high ground there.
 
Makosuke said:
On the latter topic, your stance is a lot more reasonable than I was reading it at first (never thought I'd run into somebody else who bought the KOR LD set on here!), and I wish most people were that "honorable" about their fansub downloading. I'd have a fit if I were forced to watch some of ADV's "creative" dubs (thankfully, their subs are usually 99% accurate, even on those titles).

Gotta say on the topic of "imports" with English subtitles, nothing makes me madder than people who sell bootleg (HK) imports--the only thing worse than stealing your anime is paying somebody else to steal it for you. Fansubbers definitely get the moral high ground there.

Argh, you got it wrong again. I am not talking about HK bootlegs. Those subs are the ****tiest I have seen anyways. No I am talking official Japanese release DVDs. There is quite a couple of shows now that appear in !!Japan!! on official DVDs with English subs. Same as Kodansha has been doing a lot of releases of Japanese Manga in bilingual versions. That is the stuff I am talking about. I'd never buy that HK crap....
Cheers,

Ahmed
 
AhmedFaisal said:
Argh, you got it wrong again. I am not talking about HK bootlegs. ...
Don't worry; I didn't think you were talking about HK junk--that was just an offhanded comment that popped into my head at the mention of English-subbed imports. I know there are a handful of legit ones, as well.

Boy, we've managed to drag this thread way off topic...
 
Opteron said:
And it's bootlegged, but I'm not making a fuss about that.

Rather good resolution though.

Who says it's bootlegged? Don't assume just cause someone has a divx movie it's bootlegged. I make divx backups of all my dvds. Maybe it's cause I'm lazy and I can leave all of them on my 120GB to play back instantly, or maybe it's cause I need some excuse to turn on my PC every once in a while, but that is called fair use. I paid for the movie I can do what I want with it as long as I'm not redistributing it. The MPAA might try to tell you differently but that's just wrong.
 
blue&whiteman said:
since when does vlc play realmedia? both mplayer and vlc claim to but neither does.

I myself use both players in combination. I use vlc as my strait up player as I like its full screen better and it also seems to play a bit smoother than mplayer. I use mplayer for anything I want to scrub through as it has 3 different ways to scrub and they all work well. mplayer seems to be a bit more compatible with the many a/v codecs. wmv or asf files seems to play better on mplayer and the odd avi or mpg where the audio won't work on vlc it will always work fine on mplayer. vlc has far better playlists.

I can't really chose a fav. as I seem to like and need both.

You are right, I just checked the site and they just support older realplayer files.
 
Yeah you need the Codecs...
I have the 3ivx, Divx Pro, ffmpeg, OggVorbis and somewhere in there is XDivx...

Well what I really want is WMV support for WMP8/9 for MPlayer or VLC...


gah.
 
where can i get all teh codec for QT from? I just want to keep using one simple player... Cheers 🙂
 
SLJ said:
where can i get all teh codec for QT from? I just want to keep using one simple player... Cheers 🙂

I'm currently working out all of the permission to include all of the necessary codecs in one package updated once a month...

I need 2 dev's to contact me back... 3 have said its a good idea for publicity of each of their products...
 
SLJ said:
where can i get all teh codec for QT from? I just want to keep using one simple player... Cheers 🙂

Well, the two important ones are:

http://www.3ivx.com/download/macos.html
http://www.divx.com/divx/mac/

Those are the really important ones. Other things that might help are:

Old MSMPEG codecs:
http://thegoods.ath.cx/~hmason/mac-ms-mpeg4v1/
http://thegoods.ath.cx/~hmason/mac-ms-mpeg4v2/
DivX Doctor: http://doctor.3ivx.com/
DivX Tool (one tool to set FourCCs) http://home.comcast.net/~appleguru/collectivesw/download.html

MrMacman said:
I'm currently working out all of the permission to include all of the necessary codecs in one package updated once a month...

I need 2 dev's to contact me back... 3 have said its a good idea for publicity of each of their products...
Now THAT would be cool--I sure hope it works out, since it'd be a lot easier to just point people to an all-in-one codec package. Bet the DivX guys don't go for it, but I sure hope they do.
 
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