Please define "expandability"

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  1. ABCDEF-Hex macrumors 6502

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    I'm new to these threads. Every day there are members bemoaning the demise of the Mac Pro as they know it. They fear the trend toward closed systems like the iMac. At the same time there are 20 to 30 threads where members are having problems upgrading and expanding the upgradable and expandable Mac Pro?
     
  2. Tesselator macrumors 601

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    Probably more like 20,000 to 30,000 threads. But it's only cuz they're n00bs. :)
     
  3. bax2003 macrumors 6502a

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    1. Add up to 64GB+ of DDR3 ECC RAM

    2. Up to 3 PCIe (1 x16 and 2 x4) adapters aside graphics card. What kind od adapters/controllers:
    - More Video Cards
    - RAID disk controllers (JBOD, RAID0/1/5/10/01...)
    - Pro Audio Accelerators (for Pro Tools for example)
    - USB 3 / USB 2 / FireWire / SCSI / eSATA / SAS controllers

    3. Ad one more DVD / CD / BR drive

    4. 3 more HDDs/SSDs + more with 5.25 adapters in optibay

    5. There is also expandability with ports already on Mac Pro
    - DL DVI + 2x MiniDP, 4x FX800/400, 5x USB 2.0, Optical/Analog in/out...

    ...
    I am sure there is more :D
     
  4. wonderspark macrumors 68030

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    I'll bite. I define it as the ability to be expanded beyond what Apple ships.

    In my case, I started with a 2009 Mac Pro with 3.33GHz quad CPU, 3GB RAM, 4870 GPU, Apple RAID card, and four HDDs consisting of a 640GB and three 1TB disks.

    Before booting for the first time even, opened it up and expanded the RAM from 3GB to 16GB. I ran it this way to edit a feature-length movie shot on P2 cards, which it handled easily.

    Then I started getting more work with different types of footage, to the point that I needed to expand and upgrade further. I changed out the 16GB RAM to 32GB, changed the GPU to a GTX 285 and then a 5870, and changed three of the HDDs to 2TB for a 6TB RAID 0 for a short time.

    Since that wasn't solving all my problems, I sold off the Apple RAID card and expanded my RAID with an Areca RAID card and external 8-bay box, filling it with eight 2TB WD RE-4 disks, and setting that up as a RAID 6. Then I swapped out my quad core CPU for a 6-core CPU after running the firmware update tool. I added CalDigit's eSATA/USB 3.0 card for connecting all my client's eSATA and USB3 drives. I added an LG Blu-Ray burner, and replaced the original 640GB HDD with an SSD. I added a Voyager Q dock for the ability to drop any HDD or SSD into it with ease.

    I went from geekbench scores of ~10,000 to ~16,000. I went from disk throughput speeds of ~330MB/second to ~800MB/second. I went from 3.64TB to almost 40TB of connected disk space. I'm only using 8 of the 16 ports on my RAID card, which means I can expand to another RAID box of 8 disks, should the need arise.

    To me, that is upgrading and expanding, and a good example of proper expandability. As far as problems... I did some research, asked some questions from awesome people here, and avoided problems. I don't fear closed systems such as the iMac... I just avoid them.

    My Mom loves iMacs, but hates that she has to buy a new one every three years. The first two she had died almost exactly three years from purchase. She still has the second one with a fried logic card, hoping I'll fix it one day. I told her the same thing Apple told her... that it's a worthless P.O.S. which is better replaced than repaired. It just drives her crazy that she has a whole iMac that probably would work fine if repaired. Eventually, she'll tire of seeing it sit uselessly on her desk beside her 2011 iMac, collecting dust.

    If one wants to expand or upgrade an iMac, one must accept the limits and pain-in-the-anus factor involved therein, as we all know. Some might think I have fear of closed systems, but I consider my attitude to be wise enough to identify iMacs as disposable systems for those that fear expandability.

    The fear is elsewhere, not here.
     
  5. kevink2 macrumors 6502a

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    Back in 2008, for a Mac, I had the choice of the MP, an iMac, or a Mini.

    I didn't want to limit myself to a computer which could only support 4GB of RAM. At the time, the MP was the only desktop system from Apple that supported more. I since upgraded to 14GB (which is more than enough for me).

    The second advantage was the ability to add hard drives without limiting myself to FW or USB2 speeds.

    Current model Macs can support TB, so for a cost the interface for hard drives isn't limited like it was.
     
  6. Tesselator macrumors 601

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    Mmmm troll sandwiches! Delicious no? :)
     
  7. wonderspark macrumors 68030

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    I do enjoy a hot, tasty troll sandwich now and then. I'm waiting for a retort tart for dessert. :D
     
  8. Tesselator macrumors 601

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    Succeeded by Cinnamon Bun.



    :D
     
  9. brand macrumors 601

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    The 2008 24" iMac is capable of running 6GB of RAM.
     
  10. CaptainChunk macrumors 68020

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    It's capable ("unofficially", anyway) of running 6GB of RAM, but since it only has two SODIMM slots, you have to install modules in 4GB+2GB configuration and you lose dual-channel mode in the process. My dead 2008 MBP had the same limitation.

    But whether or not dual-channel really matters over having 50% more RAM in most applications is debatable.
     
  11. brand macrumors 601

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    Its not debatable. 50% more RAM is always better than dual or triple channel mode.
     
  12. FluJunkie macrumors 6502a

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    Expandability, to me, means being able to extend my computer beyond what Apple put into it - preferably with things not sold by Apple, or not even in existence when the machine was made.

    And to do it easily, without voiding the warranty, or with insane hacks and rewriting.
     
  13. goMac macrumors 603

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    I'd certainly think it's debatable. Losing dual, or especially triple channel mode is a sizable bandwidth loss. The value of more RAM certainly becomes debatable if that RAM is becoming much slower. It's certainly task dependent, but not a non-issue.
     
  14. CaptainChunk macrumors 68020

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    Yep, and that was kind of what I was getting at. ;)
     
  15. Octogibbon macrumors member

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    Because you can't fit one of these in an iMac.

    Let alone two. or 64Gb of RAM. Or 5 hard drives.

    [​IMG]


    Oh and far more simply - it's not just internals either. I don't want a 17" screen, or a 24" one, or even a 27" one. I want lots of screens. Lots and lots of them. And big ones. And the computer in another room, not cluttering up my desk.
     
  16. G4er? macrumors 6502a

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    Simple.

    "To EASILY install INTERNALLY more than the manufacturer provides."
     
  17. Macsonic macrumors 65816

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    Aside from being able to upgrade GPU, Ram and PCie Cards, the Mac is still adequate and useful even after 5 years and still compatible with newer GPUs, cards.
     
  18. kevink2 macrumors 6502a

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    I bought my MP in March of 2008. I see that the iMac came out in April :)

    If it had come out a few months earlier, and supported 8GB, I might have gone with that instead.

    At the time, the MP was competitively priced with what I could have built/bought dual CPU Windows system, with the added advantage that it ran OSX. Obviously, RAM has turned out to the be big hassle, being overpriced. I've recently taken it to 20GB, so useful for longer than what a lower end iMac would have been.
     
  19. OS6-OSX macrumors 6502a

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    You are the reason the new MP 6.1 is not expandable! Apple could not find a way to charge you every time your 2009 was enhanced. You just could not leave well enough alone!:) You are one of those know it all's that can take a 5.1, soup it up and make it better than the 6.1! :D
    We At Apple Can Not Allow That!
     
  20. wonderspark macrumors 68030

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    Yes, how *dare* I maximize the value of my purchase! :p

    I'm just about to install 10.8.4 over my 10.6.8. I've backed up everything and done all preparations, but I'm feeling a sadness for leaving what has been an amazingly stable and wonderful OS X experience. I'm doing it for the benefits of video editing in CS6 with the new drivers and OpenCL.
     
  21. OS6-OSX macrumors 6502a

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    Don't know if you have older apps but on YouTube (other places I'm sure) show how to include "Rosetta" when you install the newer OS's.
     

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