Please don't flame the noobs for being noobs

[JonathanU]

Considering that many of the people on here were probably bullied mercilessly in school sports for being geeks - it's sad but not surprising that they choose to perpetuate the cycle by bullying others who know less than them.

You're weaker than me. I can hit you = You know less than me. I will mock you.

I thought that the more people got into programming, the richer the programming world for everyone. How many people have you turned away from programming because they saw others getting mocked?

Maybe next time that person you mocked's kid hits your kid on the sports field for being a geek, you'll think again. It's karma, sort of.

As the Great Ringo Starr said in his recent rant "Peace and Love people, peace and love".

 

[robbieduncan]

I've yet to say anyone be mocked or bullied in the programming forums. What I have seen is people be reasonably and fairly chastised for being exceptionally lazy, refusing to read the documentation and generally having an unjustified sense of entitlement to free support and, in many cases, hand-holding and teaching of exceptionally basic concepts. These same people often get offended and, in some cases, quite rude when it is suggested that the best thing to do is to read, study and, if possible, take some classes.

On a more basic level some of the worst offenders don't even use the forums correctly refusing to start new threads when they have new questions/problems despite being asked to multiple times. Instead they choose to pollute the discussion in an existing thread with random, off-topic, questions.

This is a two-way street. Those seeking help should have exhausted the excellent and very clear documentation Apple provide, should demonstrate this in their question Why can't they say "I've read this, this and this (provide links) but when I try this (post code) it doesn't do what I expect. I expect x and get y"? If the question is badly asked, as it normally is, why should the answers be any better?

 

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[chbeer]

You're damn right, robbieduncan! Maybe there should be a standard answer to noobish questions containing some standard links to sticky-topics and Apple documentation.

What do you think of collecting them here? Maybe the admin of this forum can add it to the toolbar of the editor

 

[Darth.Titan]

Frankly if a noob programmer doesn't have the desire to do their own legwork in answering their own questions to the best of their ability before asking for an obvious answer, they're not going to make it far anyway. I generally just roll my eyes at such posts and don't say anything.

I tend to be a bit non-confrontational, but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching someone else read noobs the riot act occasionally. Some of you guys can "instruct" so eloquently it brings tears to my eyes.

It also makes me make extra certain I'm absolutely stumped and can't find an answer myself before asking anything. Isn't that the point?