So, I was able to jailbreak my touch...I was able to run the iphone apps, like notes...then I click on the installer...did the update thing(which I know now not to do) it crashed....okay, so I reboot the touch...ALL THE OTHER iphone apps are gone...tried to install the iphone apps again, using the install iphone apps button...no luck got lots of err mgs in the terminal window...so, I did a restore via itunes, try ijailbreak again, the whole process from the beginning...no luck...it pop up a windows after few mins, something about the application already exists.... Tried Restore again...still same err msg, application already exists... So looks like even after a restore, something from jailbreak still stays on the system... I wonder what would happen if I try to update to a new firmware release...which apple may have in feb 08 sometime... any help ? Thanx!