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No Notch, or More Intuitive UI Again?

  • Bezel-less with no notch

  • Less stark UI; return of more intuitive UI cues

  • Neither. Fine with the notch, fine with the minimalist-leaning UI.


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Tozovac

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Say you really want an X and have an issue with "the notch" and/or the UI as compared to iOS 6. Given the choice of "fixing" only one, which would you choose? Or, is neither an issue to you? Yes this is a silly but targeted poll.

I’m noticing all the angst against the notch in the iPhone X, as well as (very happily) noticing in iOS 11 the return of many of the intuitive UI cues that were obliterated with iOS 7. I personally find the overly minimalist iOS UI from iOS 7 to 11 to be extremely awful, while I could personally more than happily live with the notch if I wanted an X, as I am not a fan of a "bezel-less design" for many reasons: I use a case and fear a bezelless would be overly bulky and make it difficult to swipe from off screen for various interactions then it already is when using a case on my 5S, plus for the times I use it without a case, I want to be able to securely hold my phone without obstructing the screen.

I’m curious, for anyone willing to vote, looking at it very extremely and overly simplistically, which would you choose if given the chance to fix one! Or neither??

Thanks!! Comments are welcome!!
 
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I’m noticing all the angst against the notch in the iPhone X, as well as (very happily) noticing in iOS 11 the return of many of the intuitive UI cues that were obliterated with iOS 7.

I’m curious, for anyone willing to vote, which they would choose if given the chance!

Thanks!! Comments are welcome!!

If you can add a 5th field to the choices titled, “This poll makes no sense” I’ll click that option.
 
"'Me either find with notch"
"Neither find with notch"

I'm not sure what you're trying achieve with this poll, those two options make no sense to me. Perhaps its because I'm only on my second cup of coffee

What does less stark UI mean? Please explain.
 
"'Me either find with notch"
"Neither find with notch"

I'm not sure what you're trying achieve with this poll, those two options make no sense to me. Perhaps its because I'm only on my second cup of coffee

What does less stark UI mean? Please explain.

Ha ha sorry! It’s because:

1) I trusted Siri and didn’t proof entry #3 before completing the poll.
2) I mistakenly thought I was editing #3 when I accidentally created #4, where once again I trusted Siri without proofing it.
3) Last, Siri is just awful. How can Siri be so bad while voice entry by google (maps) seems so spot-on usually?
 
I'd like to see some more threads on how smartphone makers will integrate the cameras and sensors.
I read the Steve Lichfield article where he said it would be 'impossible' for 100% screen to body.
I very much respect Steve's view, however I disagree on a fundamental point, I believe we are 24 months away from a 100% screen to body ratio device with no compromise.
Xiaomi's CEO on Mi Mix2 launch said, working on it and I got impression, they are nearly there.
Hope so not a fan of bazels personally.

I envisage 2022 smartphones being screen front and back, work and pleasure, or whatever takes your fancy.

By 2025 foldable device, still 100% screen front and back but with Psion 5 type keyboard when device is in clamshell mode
This will be the "ultimate smartphone".
 
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Didn't like the notch when it was first unveiled. Now that I have lived with it for a week, it's fine. Why are people still talking about it? Return the phone if it bugs you that much. Maybe a future iPhone flagship will ditch the notch. That will be fine too. Point is I just don't care either way. The X is a fine phone.
 
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Went and looked at the X - currently have a 7+.

Didn’t like the size - less useable area than my 7+
Didn’t like the notch - roommates GS8 looks nice. The notch looks ... cheap.
Then tied in the cost.
Skipping the X.
 
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Didn't like the notch when it was first unveiled. Now that I have lived with it for a week, it's fine. Why are people still talking about it? Return the phone if it bugs you that much. Maybe a future iPhone flagship will ditch the notch. That will be fine too. Point is I just don't care either way. The X is a fine phone.

I'm like you, but I respect anyone for whom the notch really gets on their nerves, should the X offer other features that makes them really want an X but where the 8 & 7 & 6 do not meet their needs -- just like I hope others respect my extreme dislike for iOS 7-11's UI that I consider to be full of unintuitive blunders and compromises for an overly-simplified UI that was unnecessarily reinvented in 2013. Thanks for your comment!
 
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I'm like you, but I respect anyone for whom the notch really gets on their nerves, should the X offer other features that makes them really want an X but where the 8 & 7 & 6 do not meet their needs -- just like I hope others respect my extreme dislike for iOS 7-11's that I consider to be full of unintuitive blunders and compromises for an overly-simplified UI that was unnecessarily reinvented in 2013. Thanks for your comment!

Your opinion and your do what you need.
More people should.
 
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Interesting results. Apparently most willing to respond here would choose, if given a magic wand, a bezel-less design than a UI with an arguably more-intuitive UI such as was present before iOS 7, while most here would choose to just leave both sleeping dogs lie as-is.

I've always believed that the vast majority of mobile phone users just deal with whatever Apple or Google throws their way and don't nitpick at things that drive "iphone enthusiast" folks like us (macrumors subscribers) crazy (for me it's the iOS7-11 often-unintuitive UI vs. iOS6's UI, for others it's the notch). No wonder then that Apple can be so non-customer-feedback oriented regarding their rather extreme sofware & hardware choices over the past few years, since the majority of iphone users don't much care at what Apple gives, just as long as Apple gives something.
 
The notch is the only clue I have for holding it the right way for unlocking!

This brings up an interesting consideration - could all this minimalism and blitz-krieging of of buttons, bezels, ports, etc., one day start to feel like just too much...? Looking at Jony's track record of magazine cover designs, Christmas tree designs, and steady removal of user-input elements (software & hardware) across his phones & macbooks, when might all that "genius design" start to feel like just...too...much.
 
This brings up an interesting consideration - could all this minimalism and blitz-krieging of of buttons, bezels, ports, etc., one day start to feel like just too much...? Looking at Jony's track record of magazine cover designs, Christmas tree designs, and steady removal of user-input elements (software & hardware) across his phones & macbooks, when might all that "genius design" start to feel like just...too...much.
Why do you need bezels on a phone or hardware buttons? It’s not like every other manufacturer is doing the same thing.
 
I'd like to see some more threads on how smartphone makers will integrate the cameras and sensors.
I read the Steve Lichfield article where he said it would be 'impossible' for 100% screen to body.
I very much respect Steve's view, however I disagree on a fundamental point, I believe we are 24 months away from a 100% screen to body ratio device with no compromise.

Yeah, I find this a way more interesting conversation vs. the current, and obvious requirement for S/C/A to be in a non-display area.

24 months seems pretty aggressive, I've been following some of what's occurring in the industry, I suppose this is one of those technologies where there's a sudden breakthrough that just solves the problem.
 
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Why do you need bezels on a phone or hardware buttons? It’s not like every other manufacturer is doing the same thing.

Ah yes, I keep forgetting how Apple is now a follower of the competition's designs instead of their former role as all-around leader in innovative, thoughtful, unique, and useful great design... :) Rather than say "If Samsung jumped off a bridge," the following thoughts come to mind.

I prefer at least some bezel for several reasons. I'm one of the oddballs who uses a case to fix a key design deficiency in my $500+ purchase (durability); I don't consider my phone to be jewelry or a status symbol. With each iPhone purchase (on my 3rd now), I'm finding it to be increasingly difficult to enable certain features via swiping from off-screen with so little bezel for the case to fit around and provide some protection. It's bad enough now with my ancient 5s, I can only imagine things as bezels decease, including the heft a case will add (and essentially re-bezelling the phone....SMH). I'm an engineer and also find myself thinking that as bezels decrease, the ability of the phone to have built-in cushioning for energy absorption around its perimeter can only decrease... For the times I go w/o a case, I prefer being able to firmly grip my slippery iphone w/o covering the screen with fingertips. I also question the potential for accidental screen-presses with a no-bezel design, but I'd have to try it first to see if that can be engineered out.

Buttons - I'm one of those oddballs that must have a round volume knob in my car, so with my phone I dread the day Jony finds a way to also remove the side volume buttons and upper on/off button (we know that's coming...). As I've not yet lived with a buttonless-front iPhone, I think I'd still prefer a mechanical home button because it lets me unlock the phone (using touch ID) without having to look at the phone. This is especially helpful when it's my pants or coat pocket or when it's on the car seat next to me while driving and want to ready it for use by unlocking but without having to look at the phone or pick it up, etc. I also often work outside in harsh, cold conditions wearing gloves & head/face protection, so I think I would still prefer a physical button for unlock. Like I said, I have yet to interact with an Iphone not having a physical unlock button but again the engineer in me seeking robust designs would prefer a physical button for those times the phone dies or is stalled; I'd trust a physical button(s) for restart much more than a touch button. Similar thought regarding physical buttons for volume controls; there are too many times those are needed and shouldn't require multiple steps like looking at the phone, swiping up, touching/sliding volume controls on the screen, etc.

The trouble is that the above are all "real customer" scenarios that seem to be considered & prioritized less and less by today's Apple in favor of laboratory/showroom/marketing studio perfect-conditions.

These are just immediate thoughts off the top of my head regarding your question.

But going back to my post that you responded to -- it's just really been bugging me the past few years (since iOS7, really) to see the extents to which Apple is gradually chipping away the user interface in both software & hardware to where it's starting to feel like the frog in the pan of water, where the water is the equivalent of some one-upsmanship annual minimalism design contest deep in Apple's labs that some customers don't care to participate in. I quickly saw the light with phones w/o a physical keypad, MacBooks without disk-drives or spinning HD's, a TV remote with only 3 or 4 buttons...but I'm personally not feeling joy over the growing disappearance of things like Magsafe, headphone jacks, home buttons, touch ID, mechanical-clicking trackpads.

If Jony really was a good designer, Apple would offer options to users less interested in no-bezel and its related tradeoffs...a "Dura-iPhone" with better protection and more ports for improved professional use in the field...a "flip-iPhone" or blackberry-esque iPhone with keypad and smaller screen for those wanting more function than an Apple Watch but not needing all that a larger-screen jewelry-like iPhone offers.... Radical user-friendly and market-broadening ideas that Jony would never consider...better to offer nearly-identical 7, 8, X, etc.

If focusing on removing things is how Apple keeps growing and innovating while at the same time making Iphones increasingly complex and capable of more and more functions, then where will that leave them in 4-5 years...what interface elements will be left to remove & simplify. One does wonder. More should wonder, IMHO.
 
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