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Why are people talking about resolution on the rMBP? The unit is ALWAYS running at 2880x1800 regardless of the setting used. The scaled "resolutions" are simply rendering the GUI larger to be more visible. Setting it at larger scale does NOT change the resolution at all! NOW...that being said....3rd party applications with low res GUI elements will look worse because they are being zoomed in on in order to accommodate the scaling.

thats only the normal desktop settings. Fullscreen games and such can adjust the true resolution, as well as 3rd party apps that can adjust the true resolution... so no you are not always stuck in 2880x1800 with a scaled desktop, thats just Apples default and what options they give you in Display System Preferences.
 
thats only the normal desktop settings. Fullscreen games and such can adjust the true resolution, as well as 3rd party apps that can adjust the true resolution... so no you are not always stuck in 2880x1800 with a scaled desktop, thats just Apples default and what options they give you in Display System Preferences.

yeah, but in game resolution is different. You can set a game to a lower resolution than the screen can handle....but in the OS it is always 2880x1800.
 
I'm a newly minted retina owner, and I gotta say, you're both right and you're not hearing him out. That scaling that is going on in the background (from 3840 down to the resi you select) actually takes up some computing power. So you're getting a better image, but you are actually taking a performance hit, over say the non-retina 15"

Performance hit relative to what? There's no 15" non-retina that has the rMBP's larger battery, overlocked graphics card, and higher VRAM (1GB vs. 512MB in the base 15" pros)?
 
I'm using 1920x1200 (having two full browsers open is very productive <3

However 1440x800 is so damn sharp and crisp! If there was some way of shrinking the ui a little bit I would run this resolution all say everyday!

Until apps get optimized for retina display (ui and workspace becomes resolution independent) I'll keep running 1920x1200.
 
yeah, but in game resolution is different. You can set a game to a lower resolution than the screen can handle....but in the OS it is always 2880x1800.

no, its not... just like a game can change the resolution, other programs can also do so. yes you can run your normal Mac desktop in 640x480 if you want to, with no scaling. it is NOT stuck in 2880x1800 with scaling, that is just the built in options Apple gives you. There are 3rd party apps that lets you change things in a way that Apple doesn't let you in the main settings.
try this one
http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/vi9yf/set_your_retina_macbook_pros_resolution_to/
 
might as well just get a 15in non retina model (high res matte)

i would use 1920 x 1200.

Except that the "best for retina" display option is really using 2880 x 1800--only text is scaled so that it is the same size as a 1440 x 900. Retina optimized software works great. Non-retina software like MS Word looks pretty fuzzy. Curiously, MS Outlook looks great.
 
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It is a huge Dilema for me.

My workflow can be done on both 1440 and 1920. However obviously 1920 makes life a little easier but not dramatically so with the increased desk space.

I SO want to use 1440x900 but I find myself drawn to the 1920.

It's becoming a disorder the amount of times I switch between 1440 best for retina and 1920....

Anyone else torn between these 2 and switch multiple times a day....Damn you Apple :)
 
Yeah I second that. I've had mine since June 12th and have been switch back and forth like crazy. I've finally decided on 1440x900 (i think). It boils down to a choice—more screen real-estate versus more clarity. Performance is a non-issue. Performance issues will only arise when using a scaled resolution while using an external display(s).

If you can get passed the "fuzziness" (as the poster points out, still better than any other mac to-date) of the scaled resolutions (I couldn't), you're better off with the scaled as you simply get more screen real-estate.

This is hands-down the best notebook I've ever owned and love it, but the fact 1680 and 1900 do not look as sharp, clear, etc. is a disappointment. It's probably something, which will fade with time, but as of this posting, I wish I could run at 1680 with the quality of 1440...

What causes the fuzziness exactly with regards to the scaling? I'm just confused because it has more pixels in use when set to a resolution like the cmbp which should make the screen clear and none fuzzy right? I don't quiet understand how the rmbp's scaling works still. Also how many pixels are actually being used at the best for retina setting?
 
Performance hit relative to what? There's no 15" non-retina that has the rMBP's larger battery, overlocked graphics card, and higher VRAM (1GB vs. 512MB in the base 15" pros)?

Relative to the fact the MBP doesn't have to waste a ton of cpu/gpu/battery resources just to power a retina screen properly.
 
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Yes, what I said was meant to apply for OSX only, not games or Windows 7. Windows 8 is supposed to support HiDPI displays though, so it probably looks awesome on the rMBP.


I have windows 8 installed via parallels 7 which supports retina display. It doesn't look sharp at all.
 
The only reason I don't use the "higher" resolution modes, is because they are simulated modes. The "Best for Retina" mode makes UI elements look 1440x900 in size, but renders everything using the full 2880x1800 resolution. The other two modes are simulated and you really don't get to take full advantage of the native resolution for the UI, although it gives you more screen real estate. It is kind of a false resolution, a non-native setting. The 2880x1800 hack uses the full resolution and renders the UI at this resolution, but the UI elements are so small I find it unusable.

It would be nice to have a 1680x1050 "Best for Retina where the panel resolution was 3360x2100 -- maybe we will have to wait for that!
 
The only reason I don't use the "higher" resolution modes, is because they are simulated modes. The "Best for Retina" mode makes UI elements look 1440x900 in size, but renders everything using the full 2880x1800 resolution. The other two modes are simulated and you really don't get to take full advantage of the native resolution for the UI, although it gives you more screen real estate. It is kind of a false resolution, a non-native setting. The 2880x1800 hack uses the full resolution and renders the UI at this resolution, but the UI elements are so small I find it unusable.

It would be nice to have a 1680x1050 "Best for Retina where the panel resolution was 3360x2100 -- maybe we will have to wait for that!

I do wish Apple did that. I wonder if version 2 will come with such a display
 
I use best for Retina unless I am working in Ableton, then I use one of the higher resolutions. I love being able to switch when I need more space.
 
I really enjoy running it at the native 2880x1800 using the SetResX app. I use it mainly for photo editing. Occasionally I switch to Best Retina in the evenings as my eyes start to tire out by then.
 
That's because Parallels' "retina support" is broken. Try switching the mac to 2880x1800 and then running Windows 8. Or run it natively.

sorry but running 2880 natively on a 15" screen is a horrible idea. i'll just wait till parallels gets updated.
 
sorry but running 2880 natively on a 15" screen is a horrible idea. i'll just wait till parallels gets updated.

Using a laptop that you can't stop criticizing is a horrible idea too- that doesn't seem to have stopped you.

In all seriousness, what does it matter how usable OS X is while you're using Windows 8? You'd only be setting it to 2880 so that you don't get a blurry experience with the virtual OS. Once you're done, you can just set it back to whatever resolution you typically use. Not a perfect solution, but it's better than dealing with poorly rendered images.

And even in OSX 2880 isn't all that bad if you have decent eyes. It's no worse than browsing websites completely unzoomed on the iPhone 4/4S. (Which I personally do all the time)
 
I have good eyes, so I run native when stand alone.

My docked setup is a 27" Cinema display on Displayport and a 1920x1200 on HDMI. In that config, it is too far away to use natively, but fine at 1920x1200.

I'm really thinking of selling my Cinema Display to get one with Thunderbolt, I'm just not sure how much I could get for it and how much more I'd have to spend.
 
Using a laptop that you can't stop criticizing is a horrible idea too- that doesn't seem to have stopped you.

In all seriousness, what does it matter how usable OS X is while you're using Windows 8? You'd only be setting it to 2880 so that you don't get a blurry experience with the virtual OS. Once you're done, you can just set it back to whatever resolution you typically use. Not a perfect solution, but it's better than dealing with poorly rendered images.

And even in OSX 2880 isn't all that bad if you have decent eyes. It's no worse than browsing websites completely unzoomed on the iPhone 4/4S. (Which I personally do all the time)

Have you even used parallels or windows 8? Even at 2880 res in parallels it still looks bad.
 
Just got a macbook retina - still debating between leaving it on Retina (Best) and the one next to it, to the right.
 
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