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Possible iMac with mobile GTX 1060,1070,1080?

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Hi All,

Now that finally Mobile GPU from nvidia are the same performance of the DESKTOP....

I wonder if iMac Desktop would include Mobile GTX 1060 for 21 inch iMac (Retina)

and mobile GTX 1070, GTX 1080 in the 5K iMacs ?

I really wish Apple picks up mobile Nvidia GTX 1060,1070,1080 for late 2016 iMacs , for the first time the Mobile GPU can handle 4K screens and we could use VR on iMacs
 
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Doubtful, from everything I have read the relationship between Apple and AMD has gotten closer.

The problem Apple (and many others) has had with NVIDIA has never been about performance as much as NVIDIA's business practices.
 
Apple appears wedded to AMD at the moment so expect AMD R9 4xx series: 460 and 470 as standard and 480 as the top-end BTO.
 
For comparison of the current top of the line m395x to new AMD.

http://www.hwcompare.com/32659/radeon-r9-m395x-vs-radeon-rx-460/
http://www.hwcompare.com/31897/radeon-r9-m395x-vs-radeon-rx-470-4gb/
http://www.hwcompare.com/30647/radeon-r9-m395x-vs-radeon-rx-480/

The 470 and 480 are both faster than the previous top of line m395x (480 significantly). The 460 lags pretty far behind and is a budget card slightly better than the m380.

http://www.hwcompare.com/32662/radeon-r9-m380-vs-radeon-rx-460/

It will be interesting to see if Apple sticks with 3 tiers for the 27" model each using a different version of the cards, or if they just start with a 470 and move up from there.
 
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danielwsmithee said:
For comparison of the current top of the line m395x to new AMD.

http://www.hwcompare.com/32659/radeon-r9-m395x-vs-radeon-rx-460/
http://www.hwcompare.com/31897/radeon-r9-m395x-vs-radeon-rx-470-4gb/
http://www.hwcompare.com/30647/radeon-r9-m395x-vs-radeon-rx-480/

The 470 and 480 are both faster than the previous top of line m395x (480 significantly). The 460 lags pretty far behind and is a budget card slightly better than the m380.

http://www.hwcompare.com/32662/radeon-r9-m380-vs-radeon-rx-460/

It will be interesting to see if Apple sticks with 3 tiers for the 27" model each using a different version of the cards, or if they just start with a 470 and move up from there.
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I would expect Apple to downrate the speed and voltage on the 480 if the temps pose an issue. The idea of the die shrink is to reduce the power required and thus the time. Apple has done the down clocking in the past...heck, I have done that personally with both Nvidia and ATI to keep my card from burning itself to death and to extend the battery...but that was on windows. There may yet be a 490 or 495 option that will be announced.

To add to all the confusion with AMD/ATI cards, there are the R9 4xx models, and now the RX 4xx models...they are entirely different. The RX is what the new systems will get...they are the Polaris models. The 480 is a stripped down design of the 490: http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Radeon-RX-480M.164291.0.html . This is good as it means the 490 is the Polaris 10, and already complete...which means, provided this information is correct, that is likely what we are waiting on. iMac has sadly had only a few rumors out there.

Edit: benchmark previously posted is valid...sorry, miss-read the benchmark
 
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Apple under Tim Cook is undermining their whole stationary computer line. Updates are usually far behind the releases of new CPUs and GPUs. In some cases Apple ignores updating all together, like with the Mac Pro and Mac Mini.

People complain about the lip on the iMac, which is the wrong focus. What the iMac needs is a slightly thicker body, so it can use the best CPUs without reaching boiling hot temperatures, and also the best mobile GPU cards available, like Nvidia's 1080M.

Apple seriously needs to get their act together, and soon. For the first time in many years I'm considering buying an AIO PC with Windows.
 
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Mac32 said:
Apple under Tim Cook is undermining their whole stationary computer line. Updates are usually far behind the releases of new CPUs and GPUs. In some cases Apple are ignoring updates all together, like with the Mac Pro and Mac Mini.

People complain about the lip on the iMac, which is the wrong focus. What the iMac needs is a slightly thicker body, so it can use the best CPUs without reaching boiling hot temperatures, and also the best mobile GPU cards available, like Nvidia's 1080M.

Apple seriously needs to get their act together, and soon. For the first time in many years I'm considering buying an AIO PC with Windows.
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Apple already has the premier "desktop" class CPU in the iMac with the Sklylake i7-6700K. To get any better performance they have to move back to Broadwell-E or Xeon which are much more expensive, and have worse single core performance. They are right in line for the next generation Kaby Lake i7-7700K. The current iMac has no problem with thermal with this processor.

Graphics cards are another issue. I expect Apple to adopt near top of the line AMD cards untill NVIDIA gets their act together to support better open drivers and metal etc. Like I said Apple preferring AMD these days has very little to do with performance benchmarks. It's about who is a better company to actually work with.
 
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If you're gonna quote me, at least read what I wrote and don't make up stuff:

"People complain about the lip on the iMac, which is the wrong focus. What the iMac needs is a slightly thicker body, so it can use the best CPUs without reaching boiling hot temperatures, and also the best mobile GPU cards available, like Nvidia's 1080M."

I don't get why people here are bending over backwards trying to justify Apple's poor decisions over the last few years, with regards to their stationary computers.
 
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Mac32 said:
If you're gonna quote me, at least read what I wrote and don't make up stuff:

"People complain about the lip on the iMac, which is the wrong focus. What the iMac needs is a slightly thicker body, so it can use the best CPUs without reaching boiling hot temperatures, and also the best mobile GPU cards available, like Nvidia's 1080M."

I don't get why people here are bending over backwards trying to justify Apple's poor decisions over the last few years, with regards to their stationary computers.
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I don't know who was making up anything. The 6700K in the iMac is not thermally throttling, so you can make the argument that it is within the thermal profile of the iMac. But does it run hotter than in a better ventilated case? Yes.

Not using nVidia is another matter, and TBH when Apple's focus there is perf of Core Animation and general compute, there are reasons to not just blindly pick nVidia and CUDA. Especially when CUDA forces a lock-in to nVidia or developer pain supporting CUDA and OpenCL.
 
Mac32 said:
I don't get why people here are bending over backwards trying to justify Apple's poor decisions over the last few years, with regards to their stationary computers.
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The only "poor decisions" Apple has made with the iMac is not making it an awesome Windows gaming machine and there are already plenty of companies that offer such a product.
 
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If you're gonna quote me, at least read what I wrote and don't make up stuff:

"People complain about the lip on the iMac, which is the wrong focus. What the iMac needs is a slightly thicker body, so it can use the best CPUs without reaching boiling hot temperatures, and also the best mobile GPU cards available, like Nvidia's 1080M."

I don't get why people here are bending over backwards trying to justify Apple's poor decisions over the last few years, with regards to their stationary computers.
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How about you actually read instead of jumping to conclusions. I specifically stated .."The current iMac has no problem with thermal with this processor."

I really doubt your processor ever reaches 212 deg. F. The iMac doesn't have a track record of frying CPUs, just GPUs from companies that focused more on winning the latest game rate pissing match than effeciency.

Pleas explain exactly what I "made up."

Apple has never been a company that cared about creating gaming machines. 40 years of history and yet some you are still holding out hope, good luck with that. As far as thermal in concerned, the current thin bezel iMac is significantly better than the previous thicker iMacs.

 
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Apple seriously needs to get their act together, and soon. For the first time in many years I'm considering buying an AIO PC with Windows.
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You've really nailed it here Mac.

They really need to get their act together, and soon.

They're alienating all of their most loyal customers. I've been with OS X since OS 9, but I'd be lying if I said I hadn't been weighing all of the various upsides I would get by buying a desktop machine with Windows 10.
 
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Having a good GPU is not about having a gaming machine, it's about machine which is able to have a good life time and do the demanding things pretty well for 4-5 years at least, Apple is selling trash instead of GPU and wants us to buy a new machine every 2 years .. Honestly buying a mobile GPU in iMac is the worst enough, we do not need the worst mobile GPU added to that ( Intel and AMD ) because Apple wants to milk all of us!
I have been an Apple user for a long time, I like the way MacOS functions,I do not believe after 7 years I can even work with anything other then Safari internetwise,there are many things which keeps me in on using Macintosh machine(OS related), but I'm tired of Apple selling trash instead of good quality hardware.
Gaming machine? You forgot video editors need a good GPU! do not go on and say""Final Cut Pro works better than Adobe P and AE on better hardwares "" Not everyone's choice of work is Final Cut pro! Apple Motion is a piece of trash outdated software which doesn't do any of those fancy new things which AE can do, thats an absurd discussion! GET REAL!
Apple problem with Nvidia is just the price, they pay nothing for hardware and look for companies that sell them trash and provide that need of theirs then they come and charge us load of money for the worst GPU or worst RAM..Apple uses HHD 5400RPM in high end super expensive machines STILL! Greedy and filthy thats what Apple is!
All you rich kids and fanboys gonna attack me and use your twisted logic,I buy a machine to provide my needs not to be a blinded fanboy !
I hate windows but I am really considering to switch and buy a PC!
All Apple does is iPhone and tablets..Because they can sell even worst hardwares with more expensive prices which requires to get upgraded every few months or a year because the person who has it want to show it off! Just money thats all they can understand!
 
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Apelles KJV said:
Having a good GPU is not about having a gaming machine, it's about machine which is able to have a good life time and do the demanding things pretty well for 4-5 years at least, Apple is selling trash instead of GPU and wants us to buy a new machine every 2 years .. Honestly buying a mobile GPU in iMac is the worst enough, we do not need the worst mobile GPU added to that ( Intel and AMD ) because Apple wants to milk all of us!
I have been an Apple user for a long time, I like the way MacOS functions,I do not believe after 7 years I can even work with anything other then Safari internetwise,there are many things which keeps me in on using Macintosh machine(OS related), but I'm tired of Apple selling trash instead of good quality hardware.
Gaming machine? You forgot video editors need a good GPU! do not go on and say""Final Cut Pro works better than Adobe P and AE on better hardwares "" Not everyone's choice of work is Final Cut pro! Apple Motion is a piece of trash outdated software which doesn't do any of those fancy new things which AE can do, thats an absurd discussion! GET REAL!
Apple problem with Nvidia is just the price, they pay nothing for hardware and look for companies that sell them trash and provide that need of theirs then they come and charge us load of money for the worst GPU or worst RAM..Apple uses HHD 5400RPM in high end super expensive machines STILL! Greedy and filthy thats what Apple is!
All you rich kids and fanboys gonna attack me and use your twisted logic,I buy a machine to provide my needs not to be a blinded fanboy !
I hate windows but I am really considering to switch and buy a PC!
All Apple does is iPhone and tablets..Because they can sell even worst hardwares with more expensive prices which requires to get upgraded every few months or a year because the person who has it want to show it off! Just money thats all they can understand!
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Excellent post. Really sums up what's wrong with Apple these days and the rich fanboys that give their money blindly to the mediocre products that Apple comes up with.
 
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I think 'Pay-apple' will be courageous and go for the[ir] best experience. :p

No, seriously. I gamble AMD’s 470/475/480 are likely candidates. I don’t believe Apple could get (let alone want) newer and better graphics ready in time for April 1st, 2017.

It won't bother me so much as long as long as the whole is better than the pieces. However, any gain = less pain!
 
sna3 said:
Hi All,

Now that finally Mobile GPU from nvidia are the same performance of the DESKTOP....

I wonder if iMac Desktop would include Mobile GTX 1060 for 21 inch iMac (Retina)

and mobile GTX 1070, GTX 1080 in the 5K iMacs ?

I really wish Apple picks up mobile Nvidia GTX 1060,1070,1080 for late 2016 iMacs , for the first time the Mobile GPU can handle 4K screens and we could use VR on iMacs
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I think they made it clear with the MBP they're all in for AMD.
 
Lets not totally dismiss AMD quite yet. Hopefully we will see Vega for the next iMac release and rumors are all over the place but they all generally are looking good, some even pointing to nVidia holding out on a 1080ti release to combat the performance of Vega. Which essentially could mean we would be looking at the higher end of the 10 series performance for Vega GPUs.

Only time will tell. AMD and Apple both are notorious for letting tech enthusiast down so who knows. I'm hoping for a 6+ core iMac but at the rate Apple is going we'll be getting dual core...sheesh!
 
Apelles KJV said:
Having a good GPU is not about having a gaming machine, it's about machine which is able to have a good life time and do the demanding things pretty well for 4-5 years at least, Apple is selling trash instead of GPU and wants us to buy a new machine every 2 years .. Honestly buying a mobile GPU in iMac is the worst enough, we do not need the worst mobile GPU added to that ( Intel and AMD ) because Apple wants to milk all of us!
I have been an Apple user for a long time, I like the way MacOS functions,I do not believe after 7 years I can even work with anything other then Safari internetwise,there are many things which keeps me in on using Macintosh machine(OS related), but I'm tired of Apple selling trash instead of good quality hardware.
Gaming machine? You forgot video editors need a good GPU! do not go on and say""Final Cut Pro works better than Adobe P and AE on better hardwares "" Not everyone's choice of work is Final Cut pro! Apple Motion is a piece of trash outdated software which doesn't do any of those fancy new things which AE can do, thats an absurd discussion! GET REAL!
Apple problem with Nvidia is just the price, they pay nothing for hardware and look for companies that sell them trash and provide that need of theirs then they come and charge us load of money for the worst GPU or worst RAM..Apple uses HHD 5400RPM in high end super expensive machines STILL! Greedy and filthy thats what Apple is!
All you rich kids and fanboys gonna attack me and use your twisted logic,I buy a machine to provide my needs not to be a blinded fanboy !
I hate windows but I am really considering to switch and buy a PC!
All Apple does is iPhone and tablets..Because they can sell even worst hardwares with more expensive prices which requires to get upgraded every few months or a year because the person who has it want to show it off! Just money thats all they can understand!
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No, this is true! Luckily for you I think Safari is on Windows too. I am also thinking about going to the dark side, but then I want an iMac clone that is super quiet, looks good and tops out iMacs performance. Which all in one PC has everything the iMac lacks?
 
Magwin said:
No, this is true! Luckily for you I think Safari is on Windows too. I am also thinking about going to the dark side, but then I want an iMac clone that is super quiet, looks good and tops out iMacs performance. Which all in one PC has everything the iMac lacks?
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Not anymore,Safari is not on Windows anymore unless you go for old versions,I have mentioned few times "OSWISE" it's not only Safari... iMac lacks GPU! A good GPU! I think about Hackintosh also, but there is no Guarantee that it will fully work or not and that means if you want to do professional job such as video editing or something else, you don't know where your machine is gonna reboot for no reason and leave you behind for no reason which can be understood easily! NOT RELIABLE ..Every time I think about windows after few days I just regret it..There is only one way for iMac to be a good machine
1.No change in price
2.Intel gen 7
3.Nvidia GPU 10 series NOT AMD AKA TRASH or intel AKA JUNK
4.no change on ports just USB 3.1 and thunderbolt 3
I honestly cannot make my decision yet..But its hard for one to pay his hardly earned money for a piece of junk! If Apple is interested in making fashion junks its better for them to get help from fashion brands and add their names on their products! Like --D&G iMac 21 inch or Hugo Boss Mac mini Old Trash Edition..
[doublepost=1478013839][/doublepost]The Whole thing which Apple did with MacBook pro and adding touch bar is like what they did with iPhone,They insisted on NOT using a bigger screen and lied about why they would not do it and at last they were forced to do it..They do not want to use touch screen on MacBook pro and added a stupid Touch bar,Why, you might ask!? MONEY! They just need more time to steal more money from people! Apple does not lead in tech world anymore, they lead on stealing people's money like Google is leading on selling our information..The whole computer industry is a big MAFIA! They destroy everyone who wants to do something new by buying it or trashing it!
 
sna3 said:
Apple Should move fast ,

Even the Mac Mini is in DANGER ..

take a look at this

https://www.zotac.com/product/mini_pcs/magnus-en1070

This MONSTER Has the power of DESKTOP GTX 1070 (same speed of GTX 980 Ti) and in Mac mini Size !!!

and can be VESA mounted behind ANY VESA Monitor ...

IMac is in Danger too ..



Full Specs

https://www.zotac.com/product/mini_pcs/magnus-en1070#spec

If I can Hackintosh this I am going for it ... come on APPLE :(
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You can build a better Hack for the price of this,
 
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