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Possible iPhone 6 Feature Nobody Is Mentioning...

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jasonc11

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Apple glazed very quickly over the "Hey, Siri" feature during the WWDC keynote.

As I understand it this will only currently work if an iPhone is plugged in...however if Apple add's discrete listening capabilities to the A8 then this could work anytime even when not plugged in making it an additional selling point for the iPhone 6.

Thoughts?

Apologies in advance if this has been discussed, as I haven't seen it in the forum.
 
Oh yeah. I totally forgot.

I probably will never use it anyway, luxury feature. (Kinda like the siri is a luxury.)
 
pooleman said:
It will probably be a major battery killer.
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That would be, quite likely, the biggest drawback of such a feature. They would truly need to come up with an innovative way to mitigate the power consumption of a feature that is always listening for key words.
 
Seems like it could be handy in the car while plugged into a car charger. Responding and listening to texts, setting reminders, playing music etc.

Or am I missing something?
 
I forgot, but yeah I'm kinda expecting this to happen. It wouldn't be a battery drainer if it was baked into the A8. Some Android phones have this capability already.
 
pooleman said:
It will probably be a major battery killer.
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The idea here is probably that something dedicated would be there in the iPhone 6 hardware that wouldn't make it much of a strain on the battery--similar to how Moto X and possibly a few other Android phones have it set up with "OK Google".
 
pooleman said:
It will probably be a major battery killer.
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Incorrect. Apple has followed the Moto X model with a dedicated core to active listening. Even phones like the Nexus 5 without a dedicated core is able to listen for the Google Now command while the phone is on or plugged in (whereas the Moto X can listen even in sleep mode. I anticipate Apple will allow for this as well.)

As for battery drain. It is so minimal, it isn't even noticable.
 
Lloydbm41 said:
Incorrect. Apple has followed the Moto X model with a dedicated core to active listening. Even phones like the Nexus 5 without a dedicated core is able to listen for the Google Now command while the phone is on or plugged in (whereas the Moto X can listen even in sleep mode. I anticipate Apple will allow for this as well.)

As for battery drain. It is so minimal, it isn't even noticable.
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We will see.
 
I was also thinking that there would be similar or new Siri enhancements due to the tagline "Wish we could say more" - what if it really does allow you to say more? Would have to be something big though to be relevant.
 
iBanker said:
I was also thinking that there would be similar or new Siri enhancements due to the tagline "Wish we could say more" - what if it really does allow you to say more? Would have to be something big though to be relevant.
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Apple has been using the Nuance owned speech recognition system since Siri was added to the iPhone. This is the same speech recognition program that both Samsung and Motorola use for their active listening. Nuance gets royalties from all 3 companies.

Here is the interesting part: Apple hired 3 high profile people last year that worked directly for Microsoft in the Cortana program and Nuance. Looks like Apple might be kicking Nuance to the curb and going with their own back end system. "Wish we could say more."
 
Lloydbm41 said:
As for battery drain. It is so minimal, it isn't even noticable.
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I don't have elec engineering background.. but these sound like famous last words. With a paltry ~ 1800mAh battery the more "tiny" drains will quickly kill the battery on the 4.7" IMHO.




:apple:
 
pooleman said:
It will probably be a major battery killer.
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It's not an issue on Android, and if Motorola could do it, I am thinking Apple can too lol.

Then again maybe not. Moto has some killer battery life. But they also seen value in placing a large battery into their flagships.

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jlake02 said:
I don't have elec engineering background.. but these sound like famous last words. With a paltry ~ 1800mAh battery the more "tiny" drains will quickly kill the battery on the 4.7" IMHO.




:apple:
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As I (and the person you quoted) mentioned, this has already been done on other phones. The battery drain doesn't even register in battery management. That translates to things like the screen, processor, and just about everything else the phone has in it draining more power than this thing.

Also, you can turn it off.
 
A lot of people here missed the OPs point.

Apple would introduce another coprocessor to handle this. The MOTO X is always listening for a key phrase, AND it only reacts to the device owners voice. It doesn't impact the battery.

Much like the iphone 5S is always tracking steps with the M7 chip. You can't turn it off, even if you don't have apps installed to see the data, it's still tracking steps. And it doesn't effect battery life.
 
jabingla2810 said:
A lot of people here missed the OPs point.

Apple would introduce another coprocessor to handle this. The MOTO X is always listening for a key phrase, AND it only reacts to the device owners voice. It doesn't impact the battery.

Much like the iphone 5S is always tracking steps with the M7 chip. You can't turn it off, even if you don't have apps installed to see the data, it's still tracking steps. And it doesn't effect battery life.
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Or this function goes in the m8 or maybe apple something else planned.
 
I'd use it at home for hue lighting. Siri I'm going toilet = all lights on route to bathroom turn red. I prferr red for night vision.

Hey Siri I'm going bed. Turn off all my home theatre , dims the lights on a ten minute timer to give me time to brush teeth etc

I'm sure there's more but hey Siri looks an interesting feature for my uses just not overly keen on having to plug my iPhone in to use it cause means I'll need to buy a dock and I don't fancy shouting hey Siri I'm going toilet how many ducking times are you listening or what (from a other room) haha
 
Zxxv said:
I'd use it at home for hue lighting. Siri I'm going toilet = all lights on route to bathroom turn red. I prferr red for night vision.

Hey Siri I'm going bed. Turn off all my home theatre , dims the lights on a ten minute timer to give me time to brush teeth etc

I'm sure there's more but hey Siri looks an interesting feature for my uses just not overly keen on having to plug my iPhone in to use it cause means I'll need to buy a dock and I don't fancy shouting hey Siri I'm going toilet how many ducking times are you listening or what (from a other room) haha
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I see your point on why this feature would be extremely valuable. #
 
jabingla2810 said:
Apple would introduce another coprocessor to handle this. The MOTO X is always listening for a key phrase, AND it only reacts to the device owners voice. It doesn't impact the battery.
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I think that Moto puts it all in one. In the Motorola X8 processor, there are dual main CPU cores, four GPU cores, a low power context core (for determining what's happening with the sensors, like the Apple M7 chip), and a low power speech recognition core that's always on.

Lloydbm41 said:
Apple has been using the Nuance owned speech recognition system since Siri was added to the iPhone. This is the same speech recognition program that both Samsung and Motorola use for their active listening. Nuance gets royalties from all 3 companies.
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True, but Samsung was supposedly in talks to purchase Nuance, which might have scared Apple into moving away from it. So perhaps the news is Apple coming up with their own voice recognition engine?

I could imagine Apple showing off something listening to multiple people at a time and picking out your voice. Or simply recognizing that there are other people around and displaying notifications differently, etc.
 
I7guy said:
I see your point on why this feature would be extremely valuable. #
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Someone just said to me after I shared what I wrote earlier in the topic.

Siri will inform you soon; like going taking a **** or something ha #


Made me think she'll then start saying

you need to take a **** you always take a **** at this time. What is wrong with you. Shall I call a doctor. Would you like some assistance haha

And they replied


The problem ; siri will call the doctor automaticly if not replying and that same siri message goes straight to your health insurance who then may stop paying for further complications in the future;; be careful my friend, be water and fill the cup
 
If Apple to implement such a thing I doubt it would be on the A8. If anything it would be on the M8.
 
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