Possible Verizon iPhone issue

doctordowling

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So with the possibility of the iPhone coming to Verizon in early 2011, I have a quick question.

Due to the nature of Verizon's CDMA network it wouldn't be possible to do voice and data at the same time, would it? I know this is a problem that existed in the past [AT&T even had commercials about it]. I was just wondering if this is still the case or if they have somehow found a way around this limitation.

I see this as a key aspect of the iPhone and can imagine that this could be a key reason that customers would stick with AT&T's GSM network.
 

Roessnakhan

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Well there's always the possibility a Verizon iPhone would be LTE, which I believe is capable of simultaneous voice and data.
 

bruinsrme

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So with the possibility of the iPhone coming to Verizon in early 2011, I have a quick question.

Due to the nature of Verizon's CDMA network it wouldn't be possible to do voice and data at the same time, would it? I know this is a problem that existed in the past [AT&T even had commercials about it]. I was just wondering if this is still the case or if they have somehow found a way around this limitation.

I see this as a key aspect of the iPhone and can imagine that this could be a key reason that customers would stick with AT&T's GSM network.
I am sure 80+million others not currently on AT&T may not see it as a "key" aspect of a phone. Perhaps maybe a convenience.
 

Rideherhard

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Aug 2, 2010
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Well up here in Canada Telus and Bell have the iPhone with no problems on a CDMA network, so I don't see why you'd have a problem with Verizon.
 

macfanrutler

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So without the possiblility of a switch to LTE, the CDMA iPhone would not be able to do voice + data without some "magical" work by Apple?
It would truly be a miracle if Apple could figure out a way to actually change how CDMA works and change the network engineering of it.
 

kdarling

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Due to the nature of Verizon's CDMA network it wouldn't be possible to do voice and data at the same time, would it?
A CDMA handset could use SVDO (simultaneous 1X voice + EVDO data), which (contrary to a popular misconception) does not require any change on Verizon's network. Basically it's the equivalent of using two radios at the same time.

I see this as a key aspect of the iPhone and can imagine that this could be a key reason that customers would stick with AT&T's GSM network.
Some would, but most have never noticed. Don't forget that the first iPhone was even EDGE-only (no 3G or simultaneous usage).
 

marksman

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Jun 4, 2007
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It becomes less likely every day that Verizon will see an iPhone at all in the next several or more years.

People better stop anticipating. Verizon is taking extreme actions to protect it's non-iphone position with android, so there is little reason to believe the iPhone will be coming to Verizon any time soon, if ever.
 

kdarling

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People better stop anticipating. Verizon is taking extreme actions to protect it's non-iphone position with android, so there is little reason to believe the iPhone will be coming to Verizon any time soon, if ever.
True, Verizon is in a much better position because of its latest Droids, which are in huge demand.

And now, with iPhone exclusivity disappearing, AT&T is beginning to push its status as a premier Windows Phone 7 carrier. One rumor even claimed they've signed up to sell 8 million of them.

New WebOS phones and tablets should also be coming from HP.

Going to be a very interesting year, and Apple's not exactly made a lot of corporate friends in the USA over the past few years.
 

gan6660

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Ive had Verizon for years and was never in a position that needed that feature. And once Verizon goes LTE you will be able to have voice and data at the same time.
 

rwilliams

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If a person is already a Verizon customer, then they're already accustomed to not being able to do voice & data simultaneously. Why would they suddenly start jonesing for it because of the iPhone? And how many people use that feature on a regular basis to begin with?
 

brayhite

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If a person is already a Verizon customer, then they're already accustomed to not being able to do voice & data simultaneously. Why would they suddenly start jonesing for it because of the iPhone? And how many people use that feature on a regular basis to begin with?
That's making the assumption that the only people who would be using a Verizon iPhone are those who are already with Verizon. If market surveys are accurate, up to 40% of current AT&T iPhone customers may abandon ship and how on the big red checkmark. Considering 40% of AT&T iPhone customers NOW makes up an estimated 800,000 if not more (basing this on the 1.7 million iPhone 4's sold and 300,000 iPhone 2G/3G/3GS users remaining, totaling 2 million), that's going to be a pretty big amount of Verizon iPhone users who just lost one of the premier functions of the iPhone on AT&T's network.

As far as who uses that feature on a regular basis, I for one have used it multiple times since being on AT&T (since June 29th). I can't speak for everyone else, but I would imagine that people use that feature often enough to miss it when it's gone.
 

rwilliams

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That's making the assumption that the only people who would be using a Verizon iPhone are those who are already with Verizon. If market surveys are accurate, up to 40% of current AT&T iPhone customers may abandon ship and how on the big red checkmark. Considering 40% of AT&T iPhone customers NOW makes up an estimated 800,000 if not more (basing this on the 1.7 million iPhone 4's sold and 300,000 iPhone 2G/3G/3GS users remaining, totaling 2 million), that's going to be a pretty big amount of Verizon iPhone users who just lost one of the premier functions of the iPhone on AT&T's network.
But if they hate AT&T enough to jump ship to Verizon, I would imagine that they'll be able to live without voice & data. After all, what good is voice and data if you can't get a signal?
 

aneftp

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I really don't understand why people are under the assumption that the iPhone made ATT what it is:

The facts are this:
ATT was the number cell phone (in terms of users) before the iPhone was launched.

Verizon reclaimed the lead in 2009 (after it's purchase of Alltel).

ATT had very little churn before the iPhone.

So many people complain about ATT. Jumping to Verizon isn't exactly going to improve things. Verizon will in the near future go to a tiered data pricing strategy. Their prices are the same. It will be more of the same old same old if people jump to Verizon.

It's sad but both ATT and Verizon are sucking customers from the regional carriers and from T-mobile USA and Sprint.
 
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