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Post WWDC Notes: iPhone 4 Display, Faster Upload Speed

commander.data said:
5.76Mbits/second upload, is as fast if not faster than many home internet packages, so should also be sufficient for FaceTime. If the carriers ever allow it of course.
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Agreed, but remember this HSUPA is shared among all users on that particular Site / Sector / Channel where most High Speed Internet isn't to your home so your probably not going to see anywhere close to this on a live network unless your the only one on the site. Be careful when comparing theoretical speeds.

Cheers,

A
 
diabolic said:
Most people will just notice how much better the screen looks than on any other phone.
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Most people will see it, then see an EVO and then think the EVO is better because they can actually see and do more on a bigger screen. The Retina display only means anything here because it's Apple that did it first. If this was a competitor you'd magically see how unimportant the feature was. That resolution on a tiny screen means Jack **** to most people unless you read with the thing a tiny distance from your face. And part of the improvement in visuals being seen is that Apple finally removed the distance between the screen and the glass. Do that on a 3GS and the image will improve as well.
 
I think the sad thing here is that it shows how neglected the OS X platform has become. We've been 'promised' resolution independent user interfaces for quite some time, yet it's here first on the IOS 4. The vertical resolution on the new iphone will be higher than it's on the macbook pro's
 
tdream said:
For a real comparison, if you're using firefox or safari, zoom out 3 times. Then you get a real 3.5 inch screen size on the macbook pro. It's just as unreadable as the previous iphones.
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This is not a real comparison at all!

You're looking at a 3.5" section of your MBP screen and saying 'ah so that's what it will look like on the Retina Display. Which is flawed because the retina display has such a higher pixel density than your MBP's screen.
 
iampivot said:
I think the sad thing here is that it shows how neglected the OS X platform has become. We've been 'promised' resolution independent user interfaces for quite some time, yet it's here first on the IOS 4.
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This is not 'resolution independence'. It's just a higher resolution display. A resolution independent user interface is where you can resize interface elements without pixelation. You can obviously do this with your Finder icons already, up to 128 x 128 pixels. Mac OS X also offers the limited ability to scale other interface elements, but from memory it requires some kind of developer tool or a hack. Yes, it would be nice for them to polish it up and make it easily accessible.

Edit: Sorry, I think I see what you're getting at now… iOS 4 being 'resolution independent' in the sense that it runs on both the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4, at different resolutions. Gotcha.
 
skyehill said:
Most people will see it, then see an EVO and then think the EVO is better because they can actually see and do more on a bigger screen.
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You cant see more because it has lower resolution. Its just bigger, but you can see more on iPhone 4...
 
skyehill said:
Most people will see it, then see an EVO and then think the EVO is better because they can actually see and do more on a bigger screen. The Retina display only means anything here because it's Apple that did it first. If this was a competitor you'd magically see how unimportant the feature was.
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Not to all the trolls on this forum! From what I've seen, any time Apple's specs are lower than the competition, it's pounced on, and quite frankly it's getting really boring. Don't you have an 'EVO' forum or something to go play on?
 
sammich said:
The 'p' in PPI is 'points'. PPI and DPI can be used interchangeably but PPI is a more correct term. DPI was apparently open for interpretation: some companies were counting each of the R, G, B pixels as 1 DPI.
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No, PPI is pixels per inch, a measurement used for monitors. DPI is a print measurement used in printing, thus dots per inch.

DPI has no place in a conversation about pixels.

People need to stop making any criticisms of the screen until you see it in person, how can you know how good it looks from a picture, that picture is taken from a less capable device then compressed down, scaled, etc.
 
That faster upload speed will be great coupled with ATT's new limited data plans.:rolleyes: regardless faster is nicer, but just make it easier for a lot of people to go over their limit and line more ATT's exec's pockets.
 
diabolic said:
If the EVO didn't look like a bulky plastic toy I might agree with you.
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The DS is a bulky toy too and nothing outsells it. I doubt anyone in a Sprint store looking at the EVO is thinking, "thats a toy". They're either blown away by the amazing screen or put off by the size of it.
 
Credit should go to LG

or whoever created this display ... :p

sure apple put together the display in iPhone 4 and other technologies ...
 
What's up with the carrier name being absent from the top left corner of the screen all of a sudden? :confused:hmmmmm
 
Wow, looks amazing. I am happy with my current 3Gs display and think that is pretty awesome so can't wait to see this one in person.
 
zarusoba said:
You mean 326 ppi, not dpi, right? They're pixels not dots.
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Basically the same measurement... units per inch. Regarding the marketing of the new iphone 4 screen, it's not laser quality but definitely headed in the right direction and much better than 96 dpi screen res. Typically laser quality is 600 dpi at the low end and 2400 dpi at the high end. 300-450 dpi is considered print resolution.
 
MacMan67 said:
Agreed, but remember this HSUPA is shared among all users on that particular Site / Sector / Channel where most High Speed Internet isn't to your home so your probably not going to see anywhere close to this on a live network unless your the only one on the site. Be careful when comparing theoretical speeds.

Cheers,

A
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I just hope the HSUPA on the iPhone 4 is fast enough to support FaceTime on cellular data. I don't want to be told in 2011 that FaceTime on cellular data is a iPhone 5 only feature, because it has HSUPA+, with 14.4/11.02 Mbps.
 
tmoore44 said:
Basically the same measurement... units per inch. Regarding the marketing of the new iphone 4 screen, it's not laser quality but definitely headed in the right direction and much better than 96 dpi screen res. Typically laser quality is 600 dpi at the low end and 2400 dpi at the high end. 300-450 dpi is considered print resolution.
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Laser quality? For the screen?
 
Charlie Croker said:
I agree the viewing quality will seem more 'natural' on the device itself. In the JPEG, the text is more legible than before but isn't pinpoint clear. The human eye will not notice the discrepancies I imagine, but then I don't really have a problem with the existing model. It's the marketing I find difficult to engage with. In other words, a useful upgrade, but not a miraculous turn of events.
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"Pinpoint clear" is dependent on the size of the text vs the number of pixels. (and your distance from the screen) Apple appears to have added enough pixels that you can't make the text small enough (in Safari, with normal text size) to not be able to read it. Now, if they added one more level of zoom out....
 
If that is really what the 3GS display looks like, how in the hell did they sell any at all? Seriously, there is no way that image is legit.
 
tdream said:
Honestly I've heard no one complain about the pixels on the iphone screen... period.

It's better obviously but who in their right mind is going to read a webpage fully zoomed out?

For a real comparison, if you're using firefox or safari, zoom out 3 times. Then you get a real 3.5 inch screen size on the macbook pro. It's just as unreadable as the previous iphones.

Again I've never hear one person complain about the pixel density of the old iphones. Most probably didn't even know what pixel density was.
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How come every topic I read in this forum, there's always some ignorant poster that just spews misinformation.

Of course no one is going to read websites completely zoomed out. The thing is, even when you zoom in, images and text are going to be crystal clear print quality. The pictures are only zoomed out to show that the display can render even the tinniest of details.

Someone else already destroyed your redicilously thought out MacBook pro argument, so I'm gonna leave that one alone.

Just wait until you see the display in person, everyone that has says photos do not do it justice and that it has to be seen to be believed.
 
iPad

This jump in iPhone display technology really decreases my desire to get an iPad. I would use the iPad mostly for reading medical journals (which are all available in high-res PDF's). After seeing the iPhone 4 demo - and then using an iPad for a half-hour to read PDF's - lack of resolution of the iPad was pretty disappointing. I agree with earlier posts wondering how Apple is going to demo iPhone 4's and iPad's next to each other in the store.

The display tech (and graphics chip tech) may not be ready yet for an iPad-sized screen >300ppi, but this will be amazing someday...
 
alana22 said:
This new display would make the iPad even better than the great product it already is.

Can't wait to get the new phone - 8 days left! :D
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I don't know how good the iPad is, but I can write you a pretty long list of features (omissions) that would make it much better.

I am genuinely excited about this screen. At least there is something where the iPhone is best than anything else.
 
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