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1) For notebooks, power usage is always going to be a major concern, although at least Sony is fervently working on smaller/cheaperlower power blue laser diodes. On the desktop side 4X BD writers are out and 6X has been announced for later this year. The Mac Pro is a great candidate for a drive, although you can already purchase them 3rd party. Why would anyone want to pay 2x as much for an "official" one from Apple? They probably just get the same part you'd buy from a 3rd party... better drivers perhaps? I'm a relatively new Apple convert...


2) "Plus why would apple force a format standard they make no money of?"
You mean like DVD, USB, Ethernet, Wifi, etc, ? Because of customer demand.

I already put a Blu-ray drive in MP at work. Got it here. Scroll down and it shows how to put one in a MP. I found no need to wait on Apple, but when we upgrade in the future, it would be nice if they had the option to include them in BTO MP's. BTW, the price is a few hundred lower than when we got ours.
 
Blu-ray's last century!

Who needs this blu-ray crap anyway? I am not even sure Apple should even bother equipping their product lines with it. Disk media is so last century! I still remember the first laser video disks the size of an old record. They were quickly replaced by DVDs. The same fate awaits this blue-ray abomination. The whole point of digital media is to get rid of the clutter. And no matter what they say about blue-ray "high" resolution, it still the same DVD that takes up space on my shelf.
Apple TV and others like it are the future of any media. This HD BlueRay format war is a joke. They are both losers in the long run. Next year there will be no blue-ray. And the fact that it is Sony - makes me gag! They are the most overrated company in the whole world!
 
Who needs this blu-ray crap anyway?
Crap? How did you come to that conclusion exactly? Are you someone that had invested in Toshiba's failed HD-DVD format and feeling a little bitter? Blu-Ray is certainly not crap, and I have very much enjoyed watching this format for the past 12 months or so.
I am not even sure Apple should even bother equipping their product lines with it.
Thank goodness that you don't make the decisions then. Apple will include them though, and it's just a matter of when, and on which of their computers first.
Disk media is so last century!
So you don't even store anything on a hard disk drive? What do you use? Flash media only?
I still remember the first laser video disks the size of an old record.
What on earth does a laser disc have to do with a Blu-Ray disc? I see very little similarity whatsoever, so please explain this.
They were quickly replaced by DVDs. The same fate awaits this blue-ray abomination.
Abomination? That's a bit strong. You do sound bitter, and I'm having difficulty understanding your logic. DVD's replaced VHS video tape, not laser discs. Laser disc was a format that never took off, but it was a stepping stone toward DVD. Blu-Ray is not at all comparable to laser disc for many reasons, and already there are more titles available on Blu-Ray than there ever was on laser disc, and that is growing constantly.
The whole point of digital media is to get rid of the clutter. And no matter what they say about blue-ray "high" resolution, it still the same DVD that takes up space on my shelf.
And how on earth is receiving a Blu-Ray movie in the mail, and watching it, and mailing it back adding to clutter exactly? :confused: Please explain. If you don't want to add this so-called "clutter" to a shelf :rolleyes: then don't buy them! I have been watching Blu-Ray for twelve months, and in that time I have purchased three movies that have not added any "clutter" to my shelf. The rest of the Blu-Ray movies I have watched in that time were rented for an extremely low monthly membership fee.
Apple TV and others like it are the future of any media. This HD BlueRay format war is a joke. They are both losers in the long run. Next year there will be no blue-ray. And the fact that it is Sony - makes me gag! They are the most overrated company in the whole world!
So how much would you like to put on that insightful prediction of yours that Blu-Ray will cease to exist next year? Did you predict that CD's would cease to exist because of the availability of downloaded music as well? There is no doubt in my mind that Blu-Ray will not only survive through next year, but for many more years beyond that, just as CDs have, and will continue to survive since downloaded music has become mainstream. Why is that? It's because many people still want the pure quality that is only available straight from the disc.

I buy CD's and rip them to the quality that I want, which is a lot higher than the 128k MPEG-4 format available at the Apple Store, and I can then use those files on any amount of Mac's that I choose. As for Blu-Ray, I prefer to watch movies in 1080p resolution because my telly is capable of producing it. I also enjoy watching the bonus features sometimes that are only available on the disc. If you're satisfied with downloading 720p HD, then that is your choice, but I prefer the full 1080p HD quality which cannot and will not be available for download because of the huge size, just as I prefer the full audio quality with my music.

Blu-Ray may not be the revolutionary step that DVD was from VHS, but it is certainly a format that has it's place and will only get bigger as people begin the step-up to high definition televisions. There will always be many people that continue to rent movies off the shelf, and there will always be many people that will buy movies for their library collection, the same goes for CD's, and those movies will be in Blu-Ray format. Downloaded HD video and Blu-Ray will co-exist to please the people that are satisfied with lower quality HD without the so-called "clutter," and for the people that want full 1080p HD quality, just as downloaded music and CD's co-exist for the people that are satisfied with lower quality audio and for the people that are not.

Why does it have to be one or the other as you're suggesting? Is it because you fail to look objectively into the needs of all people based on your own personal preference? If you don't like discs taking up precious space (even though most people rent), and if you prefer lower quality HD, then I'm not going to criticise your choice, just as you shouldn't be so bloody high and mighty about my choice of pure music audio, and pure HD video.
 
Purchase now, purchase option later?

Ok so here is my dilemma..I have a purchase window of 2 weeks, june/july of this year. I am leaning towards the MBP for a multitude of reasons, but I have gone HD at home and feel that a blu-ray drive on my lappy is as natural as bread and butter. So I am sorta reluctant to buy if Apple hasn't launched the blu-ray option..and I guess that could take a little longer than June..

To make this short..if I purchase the MBP without a blu-ray and then apple decide it's time to issue an update a short time later. What is Apple's policy on performing such after-purchase upgrades? Obviously I'd have to pay for it, but do they do them? I know people have had Apple authorized dealers replace their MPB keyboards here in Norway when they have bought them in the USA with US key-layout.

I just really want that MBP, but I know I will feel cheated if the blu-ray option is launched a short time later..

Don't get me wrong, I applaude technologies being upgraded etc..I just don't like missing out like that.. :eek:
 
I'm done with discs, prefer to download music and video entertainment. And software, for that matter.

I think this opinion will be common in many consumers in the next 2-5 years. I wonder even how long Blu-ray is for this world because of that. We keep updating the formats for video playback (betamax vs VHS, DVD, HDDVD vs Blu-ray). I think the Apple TV is the beginning of consumers directly DLing their media and skipping the physical drive business altogether.

That being said, we're not all there yet, so it would make sense for Apple to at least offer a BTO Blu-ray in the MPs and iMacs. Although I'd like to think that my MBP would benefit from it, I don't realistically see myself using it.

Anyone else thinking along the same lines?
 
I think this opinion will be common in many consumers in the next 2-5 years. I wonder even how long Blu-ray is for this world because of that. We keep updating the formats for video playback (betamax vs VHS, DVD, HDDVD vs Blu-ray). I think the Apple TV is the beginning of consumers directly DLing their media and skipping the physical drive business altogether.

I don't think so. After all, there are still people buying VHS today (as well as LPs and laser discs). You're overestimating the rate at which consumers adopt new technology.

Even more importantly, most consumers intrinsically trust their DVD player and an optical disk. Many of them intrinsically DIStrust computers - and would not be comfortable with all their movies, audio, etc on computers. I believe this is a large part of the reason why the overwhelming majority of music on ipods is still ripped from CD.
 
Crap? How did you come to that conclusion exactly? Are you someone that had invested in Toshiba's failed HD-DVD format and feeling a little bitter? Blu-Ray is certainly not crap, and I have very much enjoyed watching this format for the past 12 months or so.Thank goodness that you don't make the decisions then. Apple will include them though, and it's just a matter of when, and on which of their computers first.So you don't even store anything on a hard disk drive? What do you use? Flash media only?What on earth does a laser disc have to do with a Blu-Ray disc? I see very little similarity whatsoever, so please explain this.Abomination? That's a bit strong. You do sound bitter, and I'm having difficulty understanding your logic. DVD's replaced VHS video tape, not laser discs. Laser disc was a format that never took off, but it was a stepping stone toward DVD. Blu-Ray is not at all comparable to laser disc for many reasons, and already there are more titles available on Blu-Ray than there ever was on laser disc, and that is growing constantly.And how on earth is receiving a Blu-Ray movie in the mail, and watching it, and mailing it back adding to clutter exactly? :confused: Please explain. If you don't want to add this so-called "clutter" to a shelf :rolleyes: then don't buy them! I have been watching Blu-Ray for twelve months, and in that time I have purchased three movies that have not added any "clutter" to my shelf. The rest of the Blu-Ray movies I have watched in that time were rented for an extremely low monthly membership fee.So how much would you like to put on that insightful prediction of yours that Blu-Ray will cease to exist next year? Did you predict that CD's would cease to exist because of the availability of downloaded music as well? There is no doubt in my mind that Blu-Ray will not only survive through next year, but for many more years beyond that, just as CDs have, and will continue to survive since downloaded music has become mainstream. Why is that? It's because many people still want the pure quality that is only available straight from the disc.

I buy CD's and rip them to the quality that I want, which is a lot higher than the 128k MPEG-4 format available at the Apple Store, and I can then use those files on any amount of Mac's that I choose. As for Blu-Ray, I prefer to watch movies in 1080p resolution because my telly is capable of producing it. I also enjoy watching the bonus features sometimes that are only available on the disc. If you're satisfied with downloading 720p HD, then that is your choice, but I prefer the full 1080p HD quality which cannot and will not be available for download because of the huge size, just as I prefer the full audio quality with my music.

Blu-Ray may not be the revolutionary step that DVD was from VHS, but it is certainly a format that has it's place and will only get bigger as people begin the step-up to high definition televisions. There will always be many people that continue to rent movies off the shelf, and there will always be many people that will buy movies for their library collection, the same goes for CD's, and those movies will be in Blu-Ray format. Downloaded HD video and Blu-Ray will co-exist to please the people that are satisfied with lower quality HD without the so-called "clutter," and for the people that want full 1080p HD quality, just as downloaded music and CD's co-exist for the people that are satisfied with lower quality audio and for the people that are not.

Why does it have to be one or the other as you're suggesting? Is it because you fail to look objectively into the needs of all people based on your own personal preference? If you don't like discs taking up precious space (even though most people rent), and if you prefer lower quality HD, then I'm not going to criticise your choice, just as you shouldn't be so bloody high and mighty about my choice of pure music audio, and pure HD video.

Excellent post! Another thing people are overlooking is the fact that DVD's became the standard in 1995. That means DVD's have been the standard for approximately 13 years now, beginning with early adopters, and then quickly taking over as we rebuilt or VHS collections with DVD's. Companies released players that accepted both VHS and DVD in one standalone player. Computers began including DVD drives, etc. Here is a question for those who think the standards change too quickly. When you purchase a video player, regardless of format, isn't 12-13 years a good run for that piece of equipment?

Say you wait 3 years before making the plunge into the new format. That's still at least 10 years, considering DVD is STILL the current format, and BR has just emerged on top of HD DVD. This means it is set to BECOME the new standard. It also means you will benefit from the lowered costs as it becomes more popular. Personally, I don't call 13 years quick. I call it a good run. :)
 
the link you posted has the br player for $475. thats more than buying a ps3 or almost a stand alone player. i'd rather just wait
 
I think it would cost too much for it to be worth it. For the occasional movie I watch on my laptop it simply isn't worth the money.

However, I do think it would be nice to install only one cd for a big game, instead of the 4 or 5 of some games which takes forever.

They need to either develop better batteries or make the blu-ray more energy efficient and make them cheaper before they include them in laptops.
 
the reason that bueray takes up the most power in a computer is because every computer is a game of hungry hungry hippos and the blue hippo always wins because i tilt the board to my side.
Hungry%20Hippos.jpg
suck on that pink, green, and yellow!
 
I just want the ability to back up my 500GB external on 50GB discs..... give me a reasonably priced Bluray external burner and I will be happy.... well that and the media of course.
 
I just want the ability to back up my 500GB external on 50GB discs..... give me a reasonably priced Bluray external burner and I will be happy.... well that and the media of course.

That of course is an option, but less stuff to lug around is still less stuff to lug around :cool:
 
I hear all you guys moan and moan... and to tell the truth Slot loading Blu-rays are here but they're at the 12.7mm standard which won't fit a MacBook, never mine the Macbook Pro. I have seens a 12.7mm OEM Blu-Ray slot-loaders, probably suitable for a G4 Cube but the price is well hefty! Put it this way... I could buy another MacBook and still have change!! So, it stands to reason why Apple won't be putting those babies in a MacBook/MacBook Pro until the price of the Blu-Ray Burners fall!!

Panasonic are supposed to be release their slim 9.5mm drive that will fit in a MacBook Pro.
However, so far, they've not hit the Japanese market yet! Cause I wanna install one in my MBP!

For MacPro users, a standard desktop Blu-Ray comes in about £200 here.. and if you own a MacPro and NEED a blu-ray. I don't see why you can't install one yourselves. It's not that hard!
 
For me, Blu-Ray will make its way down to the whole Apple line (except the MacMini) in possibly another 2-3 years time.

By that time, Intel would have created another super energy efficient processor so watching a couple Blu-Ray movie using your laptop would be possible.

From my opinion, Apple is slowly removing MacMini from their line and hopes that people wont notice it anymore or the MacMini is getting replace with another model.
 
For me, Blu-Ray will make its way down to the whole Apple line (except the MacMini) in possibly another 2-3 years time.

By that time, Intel would have created another super energy efficient processor so watching a couple Blu-Ray movie using your laptop would be possible.

From my opinion, Apple is slowly removing MacMini from their line and hopes that people wont notice it anymore or the MacMini is getting replace with another model.

I would like them to include the blu-ray option as soon as possible, just because I don't see the point in having to purchase movies on the go on DVDs while what I want for my home setup is blu-ray. That's sorta a waste..2 formats is one format too many.

Though I see the power issue while using batteries..:(

I agree though on the Mac Mini, I have one at home, but for some reason I haven't thought about blu-ray for that one. Must be because I have another blu-ray player already for the tv. Plus that would require a bigger redesign of the Mini (HDMI etc) to make it useful as an HTPC-kinda computer. And if the rumors of the Mini being phased out are true..that's possibly not going to happen.
 
Who needs this blu-ray crap anyway? I am not even sure Apple should even bother equipping their product lines with it. Disk media is so last century! I still remember the first laser video disks the size of an old record. They were quickly replaced by DVDs. The same fate awaits this blue-ray abomination. The whole point of digital media is to get rid of the clutter. And no matter what they say about blue-ray "high" resolution, it still the same DVD that takes up space on my shelf.
Apple TV and others like it are the future of any media. This HD BlueRay format war is a joke. They are both losers in the long run. Next year there will be no blue-ray. And the fact that it is Sony - makes me gag! They are the most overrated company in the whole world!

Troll alert.
 
I'm done with discs, prefer to download music and video entertainment. And software, for that matter.
Me too. However, when the downloads start approaching tens of gigs per go I begin to see the advantages of old-fashioned physical media.
The Babylon 5 Universe box set is 41 DVDs - having Amazon post it was a hell of a lot easier than downloading it, never mind the fact that just buying hard drive space to store (and back up) downloads would have doubled the price.
 
Isn't mailing a box full of DVDs still the best method for us average folk to move HUEG amounts of data? The latency is terrible but at least it's not pigeons. :D
 
Pigeons with 8gb pen drives provide descent bandwidth at terrible latency. Just like boxes of DVDs.
 
The reason on why apple is waiting to put the 'option' of Blu-Ray in Macs: Is the time of the Blu-ray laser life span ..


The reason on why SSD came out before Blu-ray is again life span of SSD... :rolleyes:
Maybe I do not get the irony but you mean 500 years is too much or too little?
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/l...8/01632781.pdf?tp=&isnumber=&arnumber=1632781
:confused: (Edit: I guess you mean the reader, not the media ...)
But, anyway, BR will take time to arrive to Apple, and to displace DVD ... But I am looking at alternatives to buying a PS3 :p
 
Mbp

Can someone tell me if i should wait for the blu-ray on MBP or should i just by the new release MBP now. I don't mind spending a lot of money, but I usually change computer once every 4 years. I use my computer main for photos editing and creating/editing website.

Thanks
 
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