No problem! Serial number is XB9490RPHPOThanks for sharing. What's your serial number, if I can ask?
Don't mind the plastic, I have the system in storage right now.
No problem! Serial number is XB9490RPHPOThanks for sharing. What's your serial number, if I can ask?
They are both nice machines, and in a way, the B&W is the same experience as a Yikes, while the Gigabit dual is the same experience as using a fast Sawtooth.I just realized I have a gap in my collection. I don't have a sawtooth or Yikes (I think a sawtooth would be cool). My collection goes straight from B&W to Gigabit ethernet dual 450.
Oh @Certificate of Excellence , forgot to mention the Sawtooth's one unique advantage – internal Firewire 400. But it's really not useful in 99% of cases.They are both nice machines, and in a way, the B&W is the same experience as a Yikes, while the Gigabit dual is the same experience as using a fast Sawtooth.
I like the Sawtooth more, but only for cosmetic reasons. You may want to get one if you're a collection completionist.
Oh @Certificate of Excellence , forgot to mention the Sawtooth's one unique advantage – internal Firewire 400. But it's really not useful in 99% of cases.
IIRC, FireWire 400 was being positioned as a replacement for SCSI on the Mac, much like how USB effectively replaced the ADB and Serial ports...so instead of an internal SCSI bus for the Sawtooth, you had an internal FireWire bus.It’s almost as if an internal FireWire port was being market-tested with the Sawtooth Power Mac as a kind of stopgap predecessor for future internal SATA ports — in which a hard drive itself would be equipped with a FireWire interface (never happened, as far as I know), or a SCSI/PATA drive connected via compact FireWire bridge (without enclosure) as the intended use for that internal FireWire port.
I wonder if anyone ordered a DVI Studio Display, only to discover that their G4 didn't have DVI...
Apple’s DVI LCDs were digital-only. If your system only had VGA, you were out of luck and needed a new GPU.True, but to be fair that could be remedied with either a new GPU or a passive adapter. […]
…and only with a G4 that could take to it. So, compatibility was a non-issue AFAIK.The Cinema Display wasn't available until December 1999 (in limited quantities), […]
But even then, I couldn’t find a product for sale whose use-case would require an internal FireWire port.
This.The internal FireWire port was a real tragedy on the Sawtooth. […] I was genuinely excited for what that internal connector would bring.
Well. That's certainly...something. Some Googling showed me that someone bought a used unit off of eBay for $600 in 2005, so I can only imagine how much it would have cost when it was released.
I distinctly remember seeing this and thinking “That much for a non-working one — no way!” I kinda wish I'd snagged it just for the novelty thoughSome Googling showed me that someone bought a used unit off of eBay for $600 in 2005, so I can only imagine how much it would have cost when it was released.
I’m quite sure that refers to a FireWire card. The brochure is from 1998. Back then, only a few Sony laptops had FireWire OOTB.And if I'm reading the brochure correctly, it seems like you would have had to connect the drive to a separate video capture card.
True for the Cinema Display, but I don't recall the DVI Studio Display ever being model-locked, which may have caused compatibility problems.…and only with a G4 that could take to it. So, compatibility was a non-issue AFAIK.
Yeah, but it’s business as usual: Check if that fancy new display is going to work with your Mac before pulling the trigger. When ADC came in June 2000, “old” Macs were also left out in the cold.True for the Cinema Display, but I don't recall the DVI Studio Display ever being model-locked, which may have caused compatibility problems.
Judging from the P3/P4 era PCs I've seen, and the heavy use of CRTs up until about 2005, I recall that VGA was the unbreakable standard up until the late 00s. My Compaq Presario 5000 tower from 2001(?) uses an integrated AGP GPU, but only VGA-out.Yeah, but it’s business as usual: Check if that fancy new display is going to work with your Mac before pulling the trigger. When ADC came in June 2000, “old” Macs were also left out in the cold.
As a funny sidenote, early (i.e. 1999/2000) DVI cards for PCs are basically impossible to find these days presumably because very few people bought them. At least G4s did come with DVI OOTB as early as December 1999.
It didn’t help that early LCDs didn’t hold a candle next to a high-end CRT. And it didn’t help that manufacturers insisted on putting VGA inputs on LCDs either.Judging from the P3/P4 era PCs I've seen, and the heavy use of CRTs up until about 2005, I recall that VGA was the unbreakable standard up until the late 00s.
Digital outputs on integrated GPUs didn't become a thing until… way too late.My Compaq Presario 5000 tower from 2001(?) uses an integrated AGP GPU, but only VGA-out.
Quite possibly.Perhaps DVI would've had a better early market share if Apple hadn't attempted the ADC route?
They're not THAT hard to find. I see plenty of Radeon 7000s (the original original) with DVI on eBay for not too much. We had one with DVI back then too. Of course we weren't USING the DVI port until years later when flat panel LCDs with multiple inputs became a thing.Yeah, but it’s business as usual: Check if that fancy new display is going to work with your Mac before pulling the trigger. When ADC came in June 2000, “old” Macs were also left out in the cold.
As a funny sidenote, early (i.e. 1999/2000) DVI cards for PCs are basically impossible to find these days presumably because very few people bought them. At least G4s did come with DVI OOTB as early as December 1999.
The Radeon 7000 wasn't released until 2001, so I think that's 1-2 years later than what @Amethyst1 was discussing. Early DVI cards are very rare.They're not THAT hard to find. I see plenty of Radeon 7000s (the original original) with DVI on eBay for not too much. We had one with DVI back then too. Of course we weren't USING the DVI port until years later when flat panel LCDs with multiple inputs became a thing.
It's a rebrand of the RV100, I guess looking back at the release date it's about 2 months off from being a 2000 card. I thought it launched closer to the R100 but I guess not.The Radeon 7000 wasn't released until 2001, so I think that's 1-2 years later than what @Amethyst1 was discussing. Early DVI cards are very rare.
I have one too. Too new.I see plenty of Radeon 7000s (the original original) with DVI on eBay for not too much.
Yup. Think ATI Rage 128 Pro (the PC version!) or Radeon SDR/DDR, Matrox G400 with DVI add-on, Nvidia Riva TNT2, GeForce 256, or GeForce2, S3 Savage4.The Radeon 7000 wasn't released until 2001, so I think that's 1-2 years later than what @Amethyst1 was discussing. Early DVI cards are very rare.
Developer Preview 2's documentation, created October 12th, 1999, also says "Power Mac G4". So it seems the alternative name was never supposed to make it out the door (past that date, at least).Evidently Apple tried to hide/deny the existence of the alternative G4 naming scheme. Here is the list of supported computers in Mac OS X Puma's install CD:
Brilliant. This is what we get when we have hard data rather than speculation.interesting little discussion on the go here! my Sawtooth is a pretty early one from the 45th week 1999, however it says Power Mac G4 yet later Sawtooths (Sawteeth?) shown in this thread still say Power Macintosh G4, however mine is an Cork made machine and I have to wonder if there is a local/factory difference at play here?
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just to add to the mix, some idle ebay browsing coughed up this British market sawtooth just a couple weeks later then mine that says Power MacintoshBrilliant. This is what we get when we have hard data rather than speculation.
So the naming isn't based on date or model (Sawtooth/Yikes), but we can infer the following based on current knowledge:
1) All Yikes G4s are called "Macintosh"
2) Some 1999 Sawtooths are called "Macintosh" (no data to suggest any in early 2000).
3) Manufacture location probably influences naming.