PowerBook To Get Dual-Core G4?

[aus_dave]

G5 powerbook - here it comes. I guess we see it in January.

See it in January - shipping in June 😀.

I think there is something funny going on with PBs, there are supply problems (in Australia anyway) and the iPod promotion is designed to run out stock. So they are definitely starting to clear the decks if you ask me.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

See it in January - shipping in June 😀.

I think there is something funny going on with PBs, there are supply problems (in Australia anyway) and the iPod promotion is designed to run out stock. So they are definitely starting to clear the decks if you ask me.

If we see another update now in October or November then it can take a while. I guess June 05.

 

[pigwin32]

If we see another update now in October or November then it can take a while. I guess June 05.

Average update is 171 days and we're now at 134 days, guess there may be an update imminent. How sad if we're offered a minor increment in GHz when G5's are appearing elsewhere.

I want my 2GHz PB G5 (or G4 dually).

 

[MikeBike]

The G5 Transportable is HERE!

Average update is 171 days and we're now at 134 days, guess there may be an update imminent. How sad if we're offered a minor increment in GHz when G5's are appearing elsewhere.

I want my 2GHz PB G5 (or G4 dually).

Well, you guys dying for a G5 Powerbook, I think you've got your wish.
It's not exactly a powerbook,
but, it's definitely far more portable then the old IMac.

- Apple needs to sell a case with wheels for it.
- It's a great deal 20 inch screen and G5 1.8.

If that's what you guys really wanted, I think Steve was listening.

Looking at that board layout,
it looks like it will be a while before there's a board shrink for a PowerBook.

 

[pigwin32]

Well, you guys dying for a G5 Powerbook, I think you've got your wish.
It's not exactly a powerbook,
but, it's definitely far more portable then the old IMac.

- Apple needs to sell a case with wheels for it.
- It's a great deal 20 inch screen and G5 1.8.

If that's what you guys really wanted, I think Steve was listening.

Looking at that board layout,
it looks like it will be a while before there's a board shrink for a PowerBook.

Hmmm, actually in the G5 iMac I was looking for a small aluminium headless cube but that's just me. And why would the board layout for the G5 iMac bear any resemblance to the PB? I don't want a skinny iMac, I want a PowerBook and I think Apple might use alternative engineering techniques for producing mobile motherboards.

 

[Bobcat37]

Average update is 171 days and we're now at 134 days, guess there may be an update imminent. How sad if we're offered a minor increment in GHz when G5's are appearing elsewhere.

I want my 2GHz PB G5 (or G4 dually).

Bleh, well personally I can't really wait any longer. I'm just going to risk it an order a 12" PB sometime this weekend probably. As long as they don't make any major upgrades (as in G5 or dual-G4) in the next few months I'll be happy.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Well, you guys dying for a G5 Powerbook, I think you've got your wish.
It's not exactly a powerbook,
but, it's definitely far more portable then the old IMac.

- Apple needs to sell a case with wheels for it.
- It's a great deal 20 inch screen and G5 1.8.

If that's what you guys really wanted, I think Steve was listening.

Looking at that board layout,
it looks like it will be a while before there's a board shrink for a PowerBook.

And you are right !! Since yesterday I really started thinking about getting the 20" version. You can easily carry it around in your house. Just one plug. The iMac could really be an alternative.

 

[gian]

Well, you guys dying for a G5 Powerbook, I think you've got your wish.
It's not exactly a powerbook,
but, it's definitely far more portable then the old IMac.
...
Looking at that board layout,
it looks like it will be a while before there's a board shrink for a PowerBook.

It seems you're right.
From http://www.macitynet.it/macity/aA18865/index.shtml, reporting on the Expo:
Some journalists met Greg Joswiak who said that the iMac is an important step forward, but a portable G5 is still "quite far" from being released.

 

[MikeBike]

It seems you're right.
From http://www.macitynet.it/macity/aA18865/index.shtml, reporting on the Expo:
Some journalists met Greg Joswiak who said that the iMac is an important step forward, but a portable G5 is still "quite far" from being released.

The way I see it, with a carrying case with wheels, you get a G5 Transportable, 20 inch screen, for around $2200, with extra memory, firewire and bluetooth including case(?). That's a heck of a deal.

Esp. since the G4 1.5 Powerbook 17" goes for around $2900.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

It seems you're right.
From http://www.macitynet.it/macity/aA18865/index.shtml, reporting on the Expo:
Some journalists met Greg Joswiak who said that the iMac is an important step forward, but a portable G5 is still "quite far" from being released.

Unfortunatly you are right, i read that interview as well. I guess I will go with a iMac instead

 

[cloud 9]

well, it's so obvious now why there isn't any word on a new g5 powerbook.

if the new g5 book now came out, the imac wouldn't sell at all, it's all marketing...

 

[aswitcher]

Unfortunatly you are right, i read that interview as well. I guess I will go with a iMac instead

Well the 20" to me seems like a good buy. G5PB second rev is likely 18months to 2 years away. You could always sell your iMac at that time under Applecare if you really want a portable G5

 

[iAtom]

well, it's so obvious now why there isn't any word on a new g5 powerbook.

if the new g5 book now came out, the imac wouldn't sell at all, it's all marketing...

That's not the reason they haven't released a G5 Powerbook. They just can't get a G5 into that small a package, and it consumes way to much power. The current G5 chip probably won't ever be in a Powerbook. They will probably come out with a MoblieG5 chip or something that consumes less power and runs cooler.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Well the 20" to me seems like a good buy. G5PB second rev is likely 18months to 2 years away. You could always sell your iMac at that time under Applecare if you really want a portable G5

Or I keep my iMac and get the Powerbook in addition
😱 😀 😀 😱

I will not buy a new Mac for the next 8 month anyway, because I am traveling. But on my return I neeeed a new Mac, because of all the video material and photos I have collected.

 

[aswitcher]

Or I keep my iMac and get the Powerbook in addition
😱 😀 😀 😱

I will not buy a new Mac for the next 8 month anyway, because I am traveling. But on my return I neeeed a new Mac, because of all the video material and photos I have collected.

8 months...I dare say you'll see a second rev iMac by then ... 2.0GHz, 128 meg vram 🙂

 

[CmdrLaForge]

8 months...I dare say you'll see a second rev iMac by then ... 2.0GHz, 128 meg vram 🙂

Yes, I thinks so too. Should be at least around the corner. So... I will get a second rev iMac
😀 😛 😉

I really like the new design, I think that even so its just announced its already a classic.

 

[slipper]

i think with a dual core processor, the new powerbooks will be more powerful than the new g5 iMacs

 

[CmdrLaForge]

i think with a dual core processor, the new powerbooks will be more powerful than the new g5 iMacs

Yes, I think so too (at the same clock speed) Thats why I would buy one in a second (if the next 8 month are over)

 

[cloud 9]

That's not the reason they haven't released a G5 Powerbook. They just can't get a G5 into that small a package, and it consumes way to much power. The current G5 chip probably won't ever be in a Powerbook. They will probably come out with a MoblieG5 chip or something that consumes less power and runs cooler.

well, it was the first thing that popped into my mind after seeing the imac. 🙂

 

[rich22]

i just had a thought, would it be possible to change the power supply, as apple say its upgradable, and replace it with a battery? and also i heard that the display was upgradable. Would this mean we could change the iMac into a portable tablet? Or is the G5 really that power hurry as apple say it is?

One other thing, i wouldn't mind betting on a bluetooth dock for the iPod before to long, so that there really is only one wire on your desktop.

Info here:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=636

 

[~kilroy~]

Yes, I think so too (at the same clock speed) Thats why I would buy one in a second (if the next 8 month are over)

I agree... A dual core G4 at 1.5 Ghz would smoke a G5 in a imac.
They will not get a G5 in a powerbook at anything more than 1.6 GHZ if at all(its just too hot of a chip).

 

[thatwendigo]

i just had a thought, would it be possible to change the power supply, as apple say its upgradable, and replace it with a battery? and also i heard that the display was upgradable. Would this mean we could change the iMac into a portable tablet? Or is the G5 really that power hurry as apple say it is?

Yes, the 970 is that power hungry, which is why there isn't a portable and the only small form factor is using a lower clocked part. Also, just why would you want an eighteen pound "portable tablet?"

One other thing, i wouldn't mind betting on a bluetooth dock for the iPod before to long, so that there really is only one wire on your desktop.

Uh...

I really shouldn't be doing this while my head is alredy hurting, but I'm going to finish this before I sleep.

Let's do a little basic math.

Bandwidth:
FireWire 400 -- 400Mbit/s = 50MB/s
FireWire 800 -- 800Mbit/s = 100MB/s
USB 2.0 -- 480Mbit/s = 60MB/s
802.11b -- 11Mbit/s = 1.375MB/s
802.11g -- 54Mbit/s = 6.75MB/s
Bluetooth -- 1Mbit/s = 0.125MB/s

Take a song that's 4MB in size, then apply the speeds:
FireWire 400 = 0.08s
FireWire 800 = 0.04s
USB 2.0 = 0.067s
802.11b = 2.92s
802.11g = 0.59s
Bluetooth = 32s

If you transfer just one CD at low sample rate, that's less than a second for the data to be sent (more for the actual writing) with the current FireWire or USB 2.0 linkages. Make it Bluetooth and you lose all ability to charge while transferring, while also boosting load time to over six minutes for just twelve songs.

 

[aswitcher]

Let's do a little basic math.

Bandwidth:
FireWire 400 -- 400Mbit/s = 50MB/s
FireWire 800 -- 800Mbit/s = 100MB/s
USB 2.0 -- 480Mbit/s = 60MB/s
802.11b -- 11Mbit/s = 1.375MB/s
802.11g -- 54Mbit/s = 6.75MB/s
Bluetooth -- 1Mbit/s = 0.125MB/s

Take a song that's 4MB in size, then apply the speeds:
FireWire 400 = 0.08s
FireWire 800 = 0.04s
USB 2.0 = 0.067s
802.11b = 2.92s
802.11g = 0.59s
Bluetooth = 32s

If you transfer just one CD at low sample rate, that's less than a second for the data to be sent (more for the actual writing) with the current FireWire or USB 2.0 linkages. Make it Bluetooth and you lose all ability to charge while transferring, while also boosting load time to over six minutes for just twelve songs.

And this is why in time for Christmas (hunch) a wifi attachement for the iPod will appear that allows streaming to AX and synching wth a mac...

 

[thatwendigo]

And this is why in time for Christmas (hunch) a wifi attachement for the iPod will appear that allows streaming to AX and synching wth a mac...

I seriously doubt that we'll see broadcastable iPods, just because the RIAA would burst an artery over digital portable transmitters. They don't mind the phones so much, I gather, because of some kind of DRM management, but Apple's FairPlay is already somewhat weakened by the efforst of DVD Jon.

Without hardcore encryption, it won't happen.

 

[aswitcher]

I seriously doubt that we'll see broadcastable iPods, just because the RIAA would burst an artery over digital portable transmitters. They don't mind the phones so much, I gather, because of some kind of DRM management, but Apple's FairPlay is already somewhat weakened by the efforst of DVD Jon.

Without hardcore encryption, it won't happen.

Well an iPod attachment that supported airtunes and encrypted (WPA) comms for link with a mac would be perfectly legal and fine with fairplay because effectively nothing has chnaged to the existing arrangements...merely another device has been added to the mix. Sure DVD Jon has pocked holes in it but if you let hackers terrorise you from making a lot of legit money then your never going to progress anything technology based because there are always problems...just look as MS...maybe they should can their OS because of all the problems its causing 😉 I think that an attachement allowing control of music from the iPod wirelessly would promote sales, and flow onto sales at the iTunes store which should make the RIAA members happy. The state of affairs with illegal downloads is being led by Apple...the RIAA would be foolish to hamper that growth.

I am not sure about building AE into the pod but an attachment should be fine given the 2.4GHz spectrum is regulated internationally as "public" for the scientific, medical and industrial use.