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PowerBooks on Feb 2nd?
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A 90NM G5 running at 1.6GH should run really cool, especially if with bus slewing and powertune it can dynamically scale from 1.2GHz up. I can see the 12" starting at 1.4GHz with a 17" topping at 2GHz with bus slewing running it at 1.2GHz most of the time until you need the speed.
I do want to see PowerBook updates but in my opinion it's the 12" that needs revision the most. Apple has got to do something to further distinguish it from the current iBook lineup. Processor bump, faster graphics card, backlit keyboard, maybe FW800--something.
The next PowerBook I buy (somewhere between 6 months to a year) will be a 12"
The next PowerBook I buy (somewhere between 6 months to a year) will be a 12"
Re: Re: Wow...really?
I figure this rumor must be true, since I ordered TWO 1.25 GHz 15" PBs on Friday. This pretty much forces Apple's hand. The last Mac I bought was a G3 iBook (the last of the G3s...), in September.
Well, I waited a couple of weeks, at least, to see if this rumor would show up, and when it didn't, I went ahead and ordered anyway. But I guess I should have waited 3 more days.
My PBs are scheduled to ship by 1/29. Is there any chance they'll bump me to the new models? Or should I cancel the order and place it again in a couple of days?
I figure this rumor must be true, since I ordered TWO 1.25 GHz 15" PBs on Friday. This pretty much forces Apple's hand. The last Mac I bought was a G3 iBook (the last of the G3s...), in September.
Well, I waited a couple of weeks, at least, to see if this rumor would show up, and when it didn't, I went ahead and ordered anyway. But I guess I should have waited 3 more days.
My PBs are scheduled to ship by 1/29. Is there any chance they'll bump me to the new models? Or should I cancel the order and place it again in a couple of days?
I have the ti500 - I want a 12" with backlit keys and FW 800 - a little more futureproof.
A G5s would be the best though
Re: Re: Re: Wow...really?
If you're putting your bets in the "they will update PB's in a few days" then call and cancel before it ships. If it's going to ship after they are announced I would suspect you would receive a call from Apple asking if you want the updated machine.
It's your call, I picked up a 1.25Ghz 15" PB when they were released and I'm so happy with it. I could care less if a G5 PB came out tomorrow.
If you're putting your bets in the "they will update PB's in a few days" then call and cancel before it ships. If it's going to ship after they are announced I would suspect you would receive a call from Apple asking if you want the updated machine.
It's your call, I picked up a 1.25Ghz 15" PB when they were released and I'm so happy with it. I could care less if a G5 PB came out tomorrow.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Wow...really?
Well, I'm only betting on the updates because I ordered the PBs already. If I cancel them, the update won't happen. Apple's longstanding corporate policy is apparently to wait and update machines only immediately after I buy one.
Seriously, a bump from 1.25 to 1.33 (6 percent) isn't all that compelling, unless it is accompanied by a faster system bus (unlikely) or SuperDrive (less unlikely). Or a G5 CPU (reeeely doubt it).
mrsebastian, what's this about a 10-day policy?
Well, I'm only betting on the updates because I ordered the PBs already. If I cancel them, the update won't happen. Apple's longstanding corporate policy is apparently to wait and update machines only immediately after I buy one.
Seriously, a bump from 1.25 to 1.33 (6 percent) isn't all that compelling, unless it is accompanied by a faster system bus (unlikely) or SuperDrive (less unlikely). Or a G5 CPU (reeeely doubt it).
mrsebastian, what's this about a 10-day policy?
No, the idea of a laptop is two fold. You have laptops that are intended to be light and portable and those that are intended to be desktop replacements that also TRY to be as light and portable as possible. Why do you think Apple has 2 lines of laptops?! Why do you think the PowerBooks kick the crap out of the iBooks in performance? And why do you think Apple has a behemoth like the 17 PowerBook? Laptops are starting to overtake desktop sales. Why do you think that is? Its because of the convenience of being able to take the system from point A to point B and still have all the functionality of a desktop.
As I've preached time and again its not a matter of speed its a matter of getting the most bang for your buck vs. a similarly configured PC laptop.
Fact: You DO pay a premium for a Mac.
I and many others don't have a problem paying that premium as long as we get something comparable to a PC laptop and benchmarks show http://www.barefeats.com/al15b.html
that a Pentium M does blow away a G4. I think part of this is the system bus but also that Moto is a piss poor CPU company. A G5 and a faster architecture is needed in the PowerBook. These speedbumplets will only work for Apple for so long before users say screw it and stop upgrading until a G5 shows up which hopefully will be soon.
Originally posted by gotohamish
I have the ti500 - I want a 12" with backlit keys and FW 800 - a little more futureproof.
A G5s would be the best though
I have a ti667 and I was planning to upgrade late last year but the AlBooks just weren't compelling. Instead I bought a 7k200 hard disk and installed 10.3. It feels like a whole new machine, plus I've now got an external firewire drive for backups for the cost of the firewire case. I can wait for the G5 PB. I spend my days wrestling with Windows and I still find it weird that an OS upgrade makes my PB faster, it's just not right.
I Called Apple
HAHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!!
So....I called Apple today to mention that I had just placed an order and that I have been reading all these rumors about upgrades on february 2nd. The sales guy told me that he has not been told anything about anything like that and that it is false. I am indeed the skeptical type and smart enough to know that the apple sales people even if they knew about the upgrades would be swarn to secrecy about such an update...especially to a new buyer. But come on...when I ask you outright..."hey, you work there... I am about to drop a major amount of money... should I wait a week" and you say that you were not told anything about a upgrade and yet you acvtually have and are lieing to me to keep my business.....does this sound like a company I want to trust? I have always been a mac lover...but if I get my order this week and they release updates next week and I get screwed out of say $400...I will be a very unhappy camper.
I dont care about an upgrade...I just don't want to be screwed out of money.
Cheers everyone...just my thoughts!
HAHAHAHHAHAHHA!!!!
So....I called Apple today to mention that I had just placed an order and that I have been reading all these rumors about upgrades on february 2nd. The sales guy told me that he has not been told anything about anything like that and that it is false. I am indeed the skeptical type and smart enough to know that the apple sales people even if they knew about the upgrades would be swarn to secrecy about such an update...especially to a new buyer. But come on...when I ask you outright..."hey, you work there... I am about to drop a major amount of money... should I wait a week" and you say that you were not told anything about a upgrade and yet you acvtually have and are lieing to me to keep my business.....does this sound like a company I want to trust? I have always been a mac lover...but if I get my order this week and they release updates next week and I get screwed out of say $400...I will be a very unhappy camper.
I dont care about an upgrade...I just don't want to be screwed out of money.
Cheers everyone...just my thoughts!
The Apple rep will not have any more knowledge on updates than you or I. They are kept in the cold. This way Apple minimises leaks.
Totally agree stingerman, we need 1.6G+ G4's - but they dont exist. The 7457 max's out at 1.33G that's it!, anything higher is overclocked.
So really we need the G5 @ 1.6 for the PowerBooks - remember the 'power' in POWERbooks?, they are becoming pitiful next to Pentium's.
I have a Ti400 and was playing with my friend's 1.25G - its not much more noticeable improvement in speed, meaning, i can hang on for a little while longer.
Lastly, the Powerbooks are still selling quite well!, in spite of the value proposition of the G4 iBook? Go figure? G5 Powerbooks - late 2004 say it isnt so!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wow...really?
This sounds like an endochronic effect. Have you ever heard of the measureable endochronic effects of certain chemical reactions? This is where the reaction starts slightly before the chemicals mix, but only once you start to actually mix them together. There was even a paper that was written and widely published about this effect.
Originally posted by Djehuti
Well, I'm only betting on the updates because I ordered the PBs already. If I cancel them, the update won't happen. Apple's longstanding corporate policy is apparently to wait and update machines only immediately after I buy one.
This sounds like an endochronic effect. Have you ever heard of the measureable endochronic effects of certain chemical reactions? This is where the reaction starts slightly before the chemicals mix, but only once you start to actually mix them together. There was even a paper that was written and widely published about this effect.
ooooohhhh, g5's pleeeeez!
I'm trying to decide between the 12" and 15" PowerBooks, and after a trip to the store today there's absolutely no question-- the 12" is like a frying pan!
That said, under-clocked smaller nanometer G5's may just be the solution to Apple's heat and battery-life problems! Let's all hope for the best-- I'm going to delay my decision for a couple of weeks, that's for sure. Small speed bumps just don't make sense-- and remember that Apple put G4's in all of the iBooks just a few months after they revved them this fall...
And the first TiBook with a G4 was introduced in 2001???? SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE EVENTUALLY!
I'm trying to decide between the 12" and 15" PowerBooks, and after a trip to the store today there's absolutely no question-- the 12" is like a frying pan!
That said, under-clocked smaller nanometer G5's may just be the solution to Apple's heat and battery-life problems!
Let's all hope for the best-- I'm going to delay my decision for a couple of weeks, that's for sure. Small speed bumps just don't make sense-- and remember that Apple put G4's in all of the iBooks just a few months after they revved them this fall...And the first TiBook with a G4 was introduced in 2001???? SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE EVENTUALLY!
interesting
I am looking to buy a BTO iBook or PowerBook and was playing around with different configurations. I was waiting until tomorrow (19Jan) to buy, in case of updates.
Interesting the 15" PB has a 5-7 day wait for BTO, while the 12" PB has 1-3 day wait for BTO. Perhaps this story is correct about the 15/17" being updated and not the 12"
Also interesting the iBook 12" is a 5-7 day wait.
Don't know if it means anything, just thought I'd mention it.
Tim
I am looking to buy a BTO iBook or PowerBook and was playing around with different configurations. I was waiting until tomorrow (19Jan) to buy, in case of updates.
Interesting the 15" PB has a 5-7 day wait for BTO, while the 12" PB has 1-3 day wait for BTO. Perhaps this story is correct about the 15/17" being updated and not the 12"
Also interesting the iBook 12" is a 5-7 day wait.
Don't know if it means anything, just thought I'd mention it.
Tim
Re: interesting
Well the 12" is overdue for a hike and now looks pretty average after the iBook hike. So maybe...
Jason
Well the 12" is overdue for a hike and now looks pretty average after the iBook hike. So maybe...
Jason
I still waiting for the super light ultra portable.
The 12" Powerbook wouldn't be all too bad if it hadn't been crippled so badly by Apple. A 1Ghz G4 in the 12" would be nice, but I guess the margins are lower on the 12" so we won't see that for a while
The 12" Powerbook wouldn't be all too bad if it hadn't been crippled so badly by Apple. A 1Ghz G4 in the 12" would be nice, but I guess the margins are lower on the 12" so we won't see that for a while
If they can fit a G5 into an Xserve then why not a PB?
Apple obviously must be getting some lower-heat, smaller-process G5 chips from IBM, so WHY NOT try and stick some of them in their "Industry Leading" PORTABLES?
This G4 business is getting to be VERY old news-- where's the heat? (pardon the pun)
G5's for the 15" and 17" I say!!!!!!
Apple obviously must be getting some lower-heat, smaller-process G5 chips from IBM, so WHY NOT try and stick some of them in their "Industry Leading" PORTABLES?
This G4 business is getting to be VERY old news-- where's the heat? (pardon the pun)
G5's for the 15" and 17" I say!!!!!!
ehh?
There is a 1Ghz G4 in the 12" Powerbook - isn't there?
Originally posted by Dippo
I still waiting for the super light ultra portable.
The 12" Powerbook wouldn't be all too bad if it hadn't been crippled so badly by Apple. A 1Ghz G4 in the 12" would be nice, but I guess the margins are lower on the 12" so we won't see that for a while
There is a 1Ghz G4 in the 12" Powerbook - isn't there?