Powerbooks?

[Mr. Anderson]

switching teams

I work in an office where I'm only 1 of 2 employees that have Macs out of 150. We both have TiG4s and love them. Most of the other laptops are Dells with a sprinkling of Sony's. After working occassionally on the Dells, I wouldn't trade in my Ti for anything.

Not only that, what about getting all the software for the PC that you used on the Mac? For me that would cost more than machine itself.

 

[rastalin94]

Just out of curiosity, exactly why do you need the Ti to be faster than 667Mhz. What is to slow about it???

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Oh my God!!!

Originally posted by rastalin94
Just out of curiosity, exactly why do you need the Ti to be faster than 667Mhz. What is to slow about it???

You're really serious here, right?

I won't be satisfied until I can do realtime 3D animation with radiosity, which won't happen anytime soon, years at least.

My last project took over 100 hours of rendering, and that was a small one.

The next machine I'll buy will be a multi processor G5, probably next year, which could knock the 100 hours down to 20 - 10.

And then there is the video production, anytime I have to wait for my machine to do something, is costing me money.

 

[Grokgod]

I am in awe!`

I really cant believe it when people ask
"why would you need more speed than a 667!"
I personally find this an incredulous question.

Are you still in OS9?

Over $3000 dollars for a 667 with a 4200 rpm drive.
If these specs were housed in a different shell people would spit at it.
Imagine a beautiful women with the brain of a pea.
Mmm well maybe thats a bad metaphor.
Since my girlfriend is beautiful but oh so slow.

How could you not need more speed. For the obvious reasons stated by Dukestreet.

I had a 667 Ti for about a week before returning it.
I truly found it extremely frustrating to work on.
OSX was very unresponsive and my basic work flow was painfully slow.
I think that the 4200 rpm ddrive was responsible for this.
i am still rubbing oil on my lap to soothe the heat of that unit!

Not to mention that any actual work on animation or photoshop was impossible. If all I needed to do was type some letters and surf the net well that almost any type of machine would do. Unless your buying a Ti for the look alone.

I would be really curious to hear in greater detail your experience with the Dell and its comparisions to the Ti.> Dukestreet.

 

[krossfyter]

hmmmm how odd. i guess im having a different ti677 expierence then you. my ti seems hella phat. i have no regrets with it. i use it for photoshop, illustrator, quark x press, dreamweaver, imovie and fcp. rendering times for movies seem a hell of a lot faster. i just really dig this laptop. maybe i have a lower standard than you...dunno. but im happy with it.

i wish you could be.

 

[gelbin]

dell

My law school recommended dells for first years. we all use a wireless network and use laptops daily for note taking/surfing the net/working on web projects while in class etc. That means about 70-80% of the first years got dell laptops. lucky for them they also were encouraged to get the 3 year coverage. EVERY one i know, even those that upgraded to a higher model, have had multiple parts replace (keyboards, screens, motherboards, motherboards, motherboards, processors, etc.) replaced multiple times. They have a dell guy at our school on a daily basis fixing machines. I can only imagine how life would be had they not gotten the 3 year coverage. that is not a computer...i mean, pick something other than dell please.

 

[AmbitiousLemon]

i think people threaten to buy dell BECAUSE its the bottom of the computing barrel.

if they threatened to buy sony they wouldnt be able to get so many people mad.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Re: I am in awe!`

Originally posted by Grokgod
I had a 667 Ti for about a week before returning it.

I'm sorry to here that you returned yours Grokgod. I love mine, but I got the custom version with the faster disk and 1Gig of RAM. Interestingly, I got two, the first one got stolen on the docks at FedEx, it took another month to resolve the issues with Apple and FedEx before it was replaced.

My main reason for liking it so much is the fact that its portable. I have a G4 450 at home and the Ti is just faster, enough to make a difference. I do DV and 3D animation and I know that there are faster (dual proc.). But until the upgrade is significant, an order of magnitude, say when the G5s come out I'll be happy with the Ti. I'll still use it even then, especially being able to edit video in the field! Try lugging a desktop and 21" monitor around.

The Dell's are just ok, even the top of the line model. The screen is bigger and higher res 1600x1200, and its quick. But no firewire (at least on the model I used) and its alot bigger. I won't even go into the fact that its running NT. I use FCP and Lightwave for 3D. Lightwave on the Dell worked fine, but since everything I do goes to FCP, the quicktime movies were too clunky on the PC, and not every codec is supported, so I'd end up rendering each frame separately and then transfer the 1000s of single images to the Mac and generate quicktime form there. I'm now back to work soley on the TiPB.

I'm a Mac user, and proud of it.

 

[sparkleytone]

Re: I am in awe!`

Originally posted by Grokgod
I really cant believe it when people ask
"why would you need more speed than a 667!"
I personally find this an incredulous question.

Incredulous is not an adjective, its a state of being. What you would WANT to say is "I am incredulous at this question" or just use the word incredible.

Quit trying to act intelligent in order to fend of the flames.

 

[Grokgod]

whoa acting intelligent!

thanks for the english lesson, I appreciate.
Until now I had thought that I actually was intelligent.
Something about the diplomas on my wall.
English is actually for fourth language.
French is my native language.
Sorry if I offended you with my incorrect usage of the adjective.
I am happy that you were still able to understand me.

I am not trying fend off any flames and I hardly think that the use or misuse of an adjective or state of being qualifies me as attempting to be intelligent.
I would say that your appraisal of what constitutes intellectual power is rather low.

Dukestreet> yea , i think that a faster HD would certainly produce better results. Yet, I was afraid to order such a unit from apple because I am leery of getting a Ti with stuck pixels. So, I was determined to purchase it from a store so that I could check the screen. I was thinking of looking into a method of ordering from my local store.

AmbitiousLemon> I agree that Dell would be the worst of the lot probably. I am thinking that perhaps a Toshiba would be good. But as you said DELL just raises the ire in most. And I am trying to be uhhh angry about the current Ti book power levels. So I choosed or is it chose ? the ugliest of the bunch.

I am interested in others experiences with the Ti and question why my experience was so poor. I wonder~?

 

[Jookbox]

Re: Re: I am in awe!`

Originally posted by sparkleytone


Incredulous is not an adjective, its a state of being. What you would WANT to say is "I am incredulous at this question" or just use the word incredible.

Quit trying to act intelligent in order to fend of the flames.

actually you used the preprosition "at" instead of "with"

you also forgot to put a period before your 2nd quotation mark.

i'll make sure to point out YOUR grammatical errors too. and don't bother with mine. i'm not trying to write english papers here.

 

[Dunepilot]

Re: Re: I am in awe!`

Originally posted by sparkleytone


Incredulous is not an adjective, its a state of being. What you would WANT to say is "I am incredulous at this question" or just use the word incredible.

Quit trying to act intelligent in order to fend of the flames.

What the hell is this!

You don't 'act intelligent', you actintelligently , and you certainly don't fend 'of' the flames, you fend themoff . God, the arrogance of some people is incredible.

 

[Mr. Anderson]

ti Custom order

Well, I got lucky, no stuck pixels.

 

[peteMG]

release timing and etc

I'm also waiting (twitching) for a new pbg4 release. I've finally got the cash ready to pull the trigger, but it just feels like a new Ti release should be right around the corner. Sure, they were updated late last year, but their position in the lineup doesn't send that 'ultimate badass machine' message that a pro laptop should be sending. I want to use it both at home and at work, to to both web/database stuff in PHP and client-server work in Java. I also hope to be able to really use it for at least a few years.

On the other hand, July is a good ways away. I could be using it today.

On the other hand (!), April is right around the corner. April is also, for the superstitious among us, only 30 days from the month when they introduced the wallstreet PBG3 models and the iMac to a stunned public. A spring release isn't unprecedented.

As an aside, when my old company combusted, about a year ago, the employees got their workstations to take with them. As one of the developers I managed to keep my dual-processor Dell GX300. I've got to say that it has been a superb second machine to keep under the desk. It's quite snappy and hasn't crashed since.. well, I can't remember when. Anyway, don't profess that all of them suck.

-p

 

[Grokgod]

Lol , thank you Dunepilot and Jookbox!

Thanks for pointing out what I was trying to say through sheer sarcasm!

Dunepilot, you really did get lucky , I ave a scriptwriter friend that ordered and received a Ti with 4 stuck pixels!

Well, i saw them on his screen , I was silent.

To some people it doesnt matter, and amazingly.

He hasnt noticed yet!

Hell he hasnt even noticed that the screen is marked horrible with the lines from the keyboard! He often eats while writing and so you can imagine how long it took to create the mosaic of patterns created by the oils on his screen.

He loves his Ti, and i wouldn't ever tell him.

Hopefully he will never get a new prescription for his glasses.

And for those of you that are searching for english errors.

Me no tink dat Ti bad, only need mo uhhhh Power to make it feel good, and play wit da oter shevelt puters in mac uhhh managerie.

 

[Gelfin]

Re: Oh my God!!!

Originally posted by dukestreet
I won't be satisfied until I can do realtime 3D animation with radiosity, which won't happen anytime soon, years at least.

Yeah, that would be nice. Don't compromise your principles. You wait for a computer that can do that before you buy anything. See you in 2057 or so.

Originally posted by Grokgod
"why would you need more speed than a 667!"
I personally find this an incredulous question.
Are you still in OS9?
Over $3000 dollars for a 667 with a 4200 rpm drive.

I didn't say you couldn't use of more speed. I questioned your notion that the machine is somehow crippled without it.

Now, let's talk about this "4200 rpm" thing. That is the STANDARD for notebook hard drives. Toshiba claims to have announced "the industry's first 9.5mm 5400 RPM drive family" in a press release dated February 6 of this year. IBM, of course, had a single 48GB drive at 5400 RPM prior to that (they've since added others, including the new 60GB), but I think the word "family" technically prevents the Toshiba press release from being a lie. But at the time the TiBook released, there was only the one IBM drive... and it was available, BTO, on the TiBook. Still is. I expect the next rev, whenever that is, will offer the 60 as well.

I had a 667 Ti for about a week before returning it.
I truly found it extremely frustrating to work on.
OSX was very unresponsive and my basic work flow was painfully slow.

I'm using OS X constantly. As soon as I get Photoshop 7 I won't need to start Classic at all. If you're saying that just basic navigation of the operating system is slow, then I can think of no more charitable explanation than to call you a liar. Please don't hyperbolize your experiences.

You didn't specify exactly what your workflow is. I find lightweight Photoshop work more than tolerable (hell, basic Photoshop work was tolerable on my old iBook 466). But if I were working on large-format Photoshop projects with lots of filters, or doing lots of 3D modeling and rendering, then I wouldn't really expect any portable to be satisfying.

In fact, for my own part, I admit that compiling large Windows projects using VPC5 on the TiBook is a little frustrating compared to the same task on a native Windows desktop machine. Is anyone really shocked by this result? Personally, I find it pretty impressive that it's fast enough that I can get work done at all under VPC when I'm out of the office.

 

[AmbitiousLemon]

Re: Re: Oh my God!!!

Originally posted by Gelfin
Toshiba claims to have announced "the industry's first 9.5mm 5400 RPM drive family" in a press release dated February 6 of this year. IBM, of course, had a single 48GB drive at 5400 RPM prior to that (they've since added others, including the new 60GB), but I think the word "family" technically prevents the Toshiba press release from being a lie. But at the time the TiBook released, there was only the one IBM drive... and it was available, BTO, on the TiBook. Still is. I expect the next rev, whenever that is, will offer the 60 as well.

im not going to dive into the flame war but i thought this was amazing. toshiba claims to be the first? jeez i have a 32gig ibm 5400rpm drive. it is 2 years old. ibm has had the 32, 48 and 60 for awhile now. and they just annouced a 10 and 20 all at 5400rpm. ive always hated toshiba, always makes me feel dirty to think how many macs have toshiba drives in them. ugh, must wash hands, i feel dirty just thinking about it. wel with ibm and toshiba making 5400rpm drives im hoping all of apple's laptops will make the jump soon instead of the ultimate system.

 

[Grokgod]

calling me a liar?

thats funny.

Ambitous Lemon> Thanks for the information about the educational store and their costs on the the G4's. you were right about that, they are at the old prices. I was reffering to the costs on the regular store.
I apologize if what I said was taken as rudeness to you.
I really couldnt see what you were referring to, thanks for the explaination!

Now on to the rudeness

Gelfin, you twit!
no wait, just joking!

lets see~
I dont think that I am the only person that thinks that OSX is slow.
Many others have stated just that and some of them have dual machines.
Does that make all these people LIARS?

I have a new iMac and OSX is quite slow on it at times and ok at others.
I get windows that move, scale or minimize at rates that can only be called painful. When you can see the window freeze at mid movement to the dock, then thats SLOW!~
And thats on an 700 iMac with a better graphics card.
I think its easy to formulate what the 667 Ti with its ATI card is doing.
Does this logic make me a LIAR? I dont think so!

Perhaps if you didnt project your own perceptions onto others, there would be no need to accuse me of such things.
Am I prone to hyperboly < hope i spelled that right>
maybe? But that still doesnt make me a LIAR!


I almost forgot to mention BOUNCES, Jobs used the icon bouce to test the speed of an app opening, he showed the single and double bounce as the was OSX should work.
Guess how many bounces a Ti or my iMac takes to open apps.