Resolved Powermac G3 won't boot from OS X and gets stuck at happy face.

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  1. poiihy, Oct 18, 2014
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    poiihy macrumors 68020

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    After transporting my Powermac G3 beige desktop, it doesn't boot anymore. It has 10.2 on main HD and before it would boot into it, but now it just shows a happy face and gets stuck at that. happy face is for classic Mac OS. OS X doesn't show happy face. I don't have OS 9 or 8 on it, only OS X. Please help :(
    Also the PRAM battery is dead, perhaps it got reset or something? :(
     
  2. bunnspecial macrumors 603

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    Do you have an OS 8 or OS 9 disk? If you do, try booting off that by putting it in the drive and holding down "C" while powering up.

    This might at least let you isolate whether it's a problem with the boot volume or with some other part of the system.
     
  3. poiihy thread starter macrumors 68020

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    It does not have a disk drive
     
  4. poiihy thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Maybe the startup disk is messed up? But I would think it would boot to whatever is available. Maybe because it is OS X it cannot recognize it. But would Mac OS 9 recognize it too?
     
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    Have you tried reseating everything inside the machine? Something may have gotten agitated.
     
  6. havokalien macrumors 6502a

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    pram battery and OS X

    I have found the beige G3 does not like a dead pram battery.

    The easiest way I have found to fix this is boot off an OS X CD and use disk utility to make sure the OS X is seen by the startup disk control panel then restart. The beige G3 was made way before OS X and does not seem to like to boot off of it politely.

    Its much like the power double tap on old LC series macs with a dead pram.

    Welcome to an almost twenty year old machine.:)
     
  7. poiihy thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Yes I have, everything is in fine.
    I think it has to do with the PRAM reset. When it was working, it had not been unplugged for a long period of time since I installed OS X. The install probably set something up with the PRAM and now that it is reset it doesn't work. I probably need that firmware update.

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    Dang... so I have to wait until I buy a optical drive and PRAM battery... oh well ok.
    Theres a firmware update for it that I have not installed, should I install that firm ware update?
     
  8. havokalien macrumors 6502a

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    not firmware

    The beige G3 did not have a firmware issue per say, but a rom issue. Since you had already been running OS X its a pram startup issue.

    Use an OS X disk like I stated (not OS 9) as it won't have the ability really to set the pram correctly.

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    you don't have to buy a pram battery just don't unplug it again.
     
  9. poiihy thread starter macrumors 68020

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    I would think that that firmware upgrade will allow it to recognize OS X so it will work even after a PRAM reset?
     
  10. havokalien macrumors 6502a

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    you can try

    You can try but for me it changed nothing. When I would unplug it I would have to start with an OS X startup disk and choose a startup device. Its been 2 years and I am pretty sure it would be the same firmware, but I think its a rom issue.

    Like rev B rooms work but don't play as nice with OS X and rev C is better closer to the B&W series.
     
  11. poiihy thread starter macrumors 68020

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    Ok so i bought an IDE disk drive for it (Pioneer drive, just like the one from the G4 that worked) and I burned an OS X Jaguar install disk (1) onto a CD from a disk image. I put it in and booted while holding the C key. It showed the cursor for a bit but then went on with the happy face to try and boot into the startup disk (and get stuck). :mad: :( It's not working!
     
  12. PowerMac G4 MDD macrumors 68000

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    Check out the HD. I have a PowerMac G3 beige desktop, and while I did put a new HD in it, OS9 now has giant lag spikes. I am certain there is either a software error, or the HD is dying or something. The original HD in it died as well, (which is why I had to replace it in the first place) as I kept transporting the machine all over the place.

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    By the way, does anyone know if there are software updates for MacOSX 10.1.1 to be updated to 10.2.8? (or at least an update package I can download?) I have a 10.1.1 disc but no 10.2 disc. I'm pretty sure I could, but just checking in case.
     
  13. poiihy thread starter macrumors 68020

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    I already solved this problem as being dead PRAM battery causing PRAM to be reset and so it 'forgets' how to boot into OS X.

    My newest problem is that I cannot boot from a Jaguar install disk that i burned. I burned it from a dmg disk image that I made with disk utility from a real OS X Jaguar disk.
    So apparently the G3 cannot boot from burned disks? Or maybe the dmg file did not save the disk exactly like it was. Maybe I should've used iso.

    I am positive the disk drive i bought is good because the seller said it was tested and working, but I have nothing else to test it and cannot be sure.
     

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