PowerMac G5s - on or around Jan 20th?

[pgwalsh]

Originally posted by invaLPsion
Gekko does have a source, he told me who it is and I think he's telling the truth.

You can say that a million times and no one will believe you. Only if you reveal the source, but you can't and shouldn't. The only way to actually make it seem ture is if you're right about 75% of the time. If you're right 100% of the time then people will freak, but you're source will probably be caught.

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

A true prophet isnt a hit and miss proposition. they are 100% correct.

 

[john123]

Originally posted by the future

Quotes of quotes of quotes are very annoying and hard to read, so I'll simply refer to sections in your post with a tagline:

• Speculation on pre-summer 3Ghz G5s: contained in the original threads regarding the announcements of G5s at MWNY last summer, when the promise of 3Ghz within a year was made.
• Wait for delivery issue: I didn't say that he did say anything about waiting for delivery. If you'd actually read my post, you'd have realized there was an argument embeded within it -- specifically, that common sense can take you reverse chronologically back in time, from this coming summer backwards...and that by some number of days in the future t (i.e., a date this summer) there will be 3Ghz G5s -- with 100% certainty (assuming no production snaffus). That means at time t-1 there is some lesser probability that 3Ghz G5s will exist at that time, and so on and so forth with each t-i up until i equals t, at which point the probability goes to zero. Get it?
• Summer around the corner: again, reading would help you. Will machines ship immediately? Maybe, but I doubt it. So your time t, as explained above, needs to factor this in. If the wait time is 6-8 weeks, then an announcement of 3Ghz G5s at the end of March would basically be only mildly accelerated with respect to an optimistic interpretation of the Jobs Timetable. Get it?
• Logic/common sense: you'd do yourself well to take a class in logic. It is extremely rare for Apple to comment on future product announcements. That Jobs made a promise that G5s would hit 3Ghz within a year opens a unique buyers' quandary that is not typically present for Apple buyers: namely, that there is certainty, absent any countervailing indicators, that 3Ghz G5s will appear by "this summer." And so, as we approach the "summer," one can expect sales to slow. This is, in fact, what almost always happens both when Apple products become dated and when new products are increasingly rumored. Only this time, a large fraction of the usual speculation is removed from the process. If you ever took a class in economics, you know that information is a critical determinant in decisionmaking with respect to an individual, as it interacts critically with his/her risk aversion. The same principle applies here.
• Snotty: I won't even dignify this with a response.
• Gekko vs ThinkSecret: of course there is no comparison. But as I explained in my last post, there are many "newbies" and others who look here, correctly or not, for buying advice. People who post to these boards at least owe those folks the courtesy of identifying when they have real information and when they are engaging in idle speculation.

 

[~Shard~]

Geez, I go to work for 9 hours and look at all the posts I have to catch up on!

Let me summarize some points from reading all these posts - I'm not going to waste time replying in detail to everyone, since I have made my position known on this whole "NeatGekko thing"...

Originally posted by the future

Those are not 5 examples, that is 1 example repeated 5 times over.

If you read my post I said "5 statements", not "5 examples". I know they're not 5 examples. Please don't misquote me. Thank you.

Originally posted by Eric Battle

You provided NO info AT ALL! Nothing about Mini-ipods- no prices nothing.

Here's a homework assignment for you - read through the myriad of iPods posts and threads throughout MacRumors - mini-iPods were being discussed back in December in quite a lot of detail.

Originally posted by john123

The difference between NeatGekko and others on this board -- and the reason why the guy burns up the butts of many -- is that he SPECULATES but proclaims stuff as FACT. If you have a hunch, based on common sense or intuition or whatever, call it so. But since the guy is 1-and-6, that pretty clearly indicates that's all it is: a speculation.

Exactly - this has been my point all along. It's the principle of the thing - I have no problems with people making predictions. But there is a difference between speculating, predicting, whatever you want to call it, and proclaiming something as FACT. Over and over. And being wrong.

Originally posted by john123

So we have several concrete pieces of "information":
* 4 models
* Prices on existing models remain the same
* New 4th model (3Ghz model) more expensive
* Introduced this month

Agreed. I will honestly be interested to see what happens, and will so with an open mind thanks to these facts. Now time will tell. (Yet again - just like the 3 GHz by MWSF, 3 GHz by Feb., etc. ad nauseum...)

Kay, I'm done. For now.

 

[a17inchFuture]

I think apple should come out with new powerbooks before they come out with new towers. Wait a few more months and if the tecnology has evoled even further, put the even newest and best configuration of towers out on the market then,m but give the new versions some tiem to breath on the market.

Give your products some time before you make them less-than-best. When a new line comes out, it compeltely makes the old lines sales drop. The product virtually becomes obsolete. G5's have been updated twice in the last quarter (basically), and I think that the powerbooks, while also updated somewhat recently (september, although 5 months is hardly recent), are still lagging behind others computer companies (or so other posts on this and other rumor sites have lead me to believe).

They should release the absolute most-refined version of the G4 powerbook and sell it as the most-up-to-date-in-every-department, but the G5 processor. If they are forced make people wait for heat/size issues resulting from the G5, and it is going to be an obvious hole in their sales line, they should address that immediately and show that it can't be beat in any other way, but the obvious. Update everything but the processor, and everyone will wait happily for its inevitable arrival.

Whatever it be, I think powerbooks deserve more attention at the moment. Wireless is everywhere, and portable is most certainly the wave of the future. I know apple is the cutting edge, and they know it too. Not just in technology but in providing just what the consumer wants.

Please, Apple, give us new Powerbooks . . . . .

 

[aswitcher]

Hey after this last prediction something occured to me - where was the promise to gnaw off a body part - but then I realised that some Geckos can regenerate their limbs (at least their tails) so this is no real promise anyway

Well 18 days to go...

 

[wizard]

I'm not about to support the gecko character as it has been awhile since I've logged on and frankly haven't read back that far to know whats been up lately.
What I will say is that it does appear that everything is in place for a rather large increase in performance for many of the Mac lines. The hand writing is on the web so to speak and most of that involves the rather good figures Apple and IBM have posted with regards to the 90nm generation ofthe 970. That and the continued delays of the XServer, that was obviously designed to support much hotter chips than what are in it at the moment, indicates that something is up.

Now we could be interpeting the signs completely wrong, it is possible that the XServe has hit the wall in some other manner. I think much of this will be cleared up after IBM's show in tell this month. Apple realizes that they need to advance rather quickly as Intel will ramp the clock rate on Prescot rather quickly, probally well in excess of 4 GHz by the middle of summer. Apple really has no other choice than to push as hard as they can.

Possibly the biggest issue in my mind for faster G5's Towers to be delivered a month or two later is that rest of Apples hardware is in rather sad condition and probally will be appraoched earlier. But I do believe at this moment in time that the next rev when it does come will top out slightly higher than 3GHz. Maybe they will be delivered with the new IMacs or the IMacs replacement. Simultaneous delivery will come as the result of the need to deliver an IMac that runs 2GHz or greater.

Originally posted by Eric Battle
All you doubters are pathetic. If we see 3 Ghz machines ANYTIME THIS MONTH, Neatgekko will be the NEW thats right NEW source for inside info. And the funny thing is all you HATERS will be the same ones emailing him about whats next at Apple. I say this because Jobs predicted 3GHZ by summer. NOBODY but Neatgekko predicts earlier. That's a HUGE prediction considering everyone speculated about MAX 2.6 machines. So, in my opinion, if we see 3GHz machines in the next coming weeks all you HATERS will be eating crow and then emailing him about what's next for the summer. I believe you Neatgekko. No doubts whatsoever. Just makes sense to me. Period.

Eric Battle

 

[wizard]

I've seen corporations change their minds on production lines that cost over $100million. In one case buying the whole line and never shippig a product. More public infomation can be found on steel mills spending even more money on complete factories they never used. Corporations change their minds all the time.

As to prdictions I have no idea if the Gecko has a line on very good information or not. We may never know and the realities may change agian after a set of pridictions are made.

Some strange thigs are going on at Apple right now. From the pure speculation point of view I think it is the result of IBM maybe being a bit ahead on 90nm capabilities while Apple is trying to catch up with connecting hardware. Obviously wild ass geusses on my part, but things like the XServe could be seen as supporting that thought.

As to the gekco character the question is how can we ever really determine if he does have an inside line on information. I suspect that the only way to finalize this would be for gecko to show more than a few correct prdictions.

Originally posted by john123
Agreed.

It sounds a little hokey to me that 2.6Ghz models were ready to ship "in October" but didn't for the reasons provided. But that's a non-falsifiable hypothesis (absent someone posting some really cool documents), so we'll ignore that for the moment.

So we have several concrete pieces of "information":
* 4 models
* Prices on existing models remain the same
* New 4th model (3Ghz model) more expensive
* Introduced this month

So yes, time will tell.

As I and others mentioned before, the irksome part is when one forecasts something -- be it a product or a timetable -- and says that the proclamation is an "absolute certainty" when, in reality, it's not.

Incidentally, nailing one or two of the above items and missing the other ones shouldn't necessarily lend credence to NeatGekko's credibility. Constantly explaining away things when you're wrong by saying, "Oh, they changed their minds" only can go so far. In my opinion, if more than one of the items above is incorrect, then the prediction was pretty worthless.

 

[the future]

Originally posted by john123 [/B]

Have a nice day.

 

[numediaman]

Apple announces the G5 Performa and the G5 Quadra. The Performa line features G5s at 1ghz, 1.2ghz & 1.4ghz with 56megs of RAM. The Quadra G5 features G5s at 1.4ghz, 1.6ghz & 1.8 ghz, with 126 megs of RAM. And Apple reintroduces the Floppy Drive!

There, now is everyone happy?!

 

[CalfCanuck]

1.6's and DP 1.8's out of stock

Like many others here, I've been keeping an eye on stock at some of the major Apple sellers. I find it interesting that for the first time in 2 months, some these are starting to show as "out of stock" in 2 of the 3 currently shipping models.

Doesn't guarantee anything, but this could signal that Apple is beginning to let stock run out in order to introduce the new models ASAP.

http://www.macprices.com/powermactracker.shtml

 

[john123]

Re: 1.6's and DP 1.8's out of stock

Originally posted by CalfCanuck
Like many others here, I've been keeping an eye on stock at some of the major Apple sellers. I find it interesting that for the first time in 2 months, some these are starting to show as "out of stock" in 2 of the 3 currently shipping models.

Doesn't guarantee anything, but this could signal that Apple is beginning to let stock run out in order to introduce the new models ASAP.

http://www.macprices.com/powermactracker.shtml

Eh? Only Amazon is out of the DP 1.8, and only CompUSA and MicroCenter are out of the SP 1.6s.

That's not exactly a drought in inventory...just suggests that those particular companies have run through their particular supplies and have more on order from Apple.

 

[CalfCanuck]

Re: Re: 1.6's and DP 1.8's out of stock

Originally posted by john123
Eh? Only Amazon is out of the DP 1.8, and only CompUSA and MicroCenter are out of the SP 1.6s.

That's not exactly a drought in inventory...just suggests that those particular companies have run through their particular supplies and have more on order from Apple.

You're right it's not much, but this is the first time in 2004 that I've seen any of these to be officially backordered.

I was esp. curious about CompUSA's backorder, as I'd assume that they'd have some special status within Apple shipping and inventory given their special "quasi-Apple store" relationship. Or have I missed something and is this relationship now been downgraded?

 

[invaLPsion]

What all the things that have been going on it all boils down to imminent powermac updates. Unless Apple is being cruel and torturing us.

I am very pissed that Apple has allowed itself to get so behind with updating their consumer computers. Apple is a computer company, not a music company! Someone needs to smack Jobs and tell him that.

 

[djbahdow01]

Apple's Fault

Don't forget there are many factors we have to think about when we talk about updates to any line. Apple is not always the "only" company to blame. Could it be that the yields on the processors at the IBM plants are not what they expected therefore taking longer to make the G5 chips needed for the update?
Also who knows what is in store, they could update the superdrive, graphics cards, etc. There have been no rumors and we are basing all our rumors lately on out of stock at apple reseller stores not at Apple.
When i see the new revision i will be as happy as every one else. Here's to the new G5.

 

[john123]

Originally posted by invaLPsion
What all the things that have been going on it all boils down to imminent powermac updates. Unless Apple is being cruel and torturing us.

I am very pissed that Apple has allowed itself to get so behind with updating their consumer computers. Apple is a computer company, not a music company! Someone needs to smack Jobs and tell him that.

::Sigh::

For about the eleventy billionth time on this thread, this is not some mad plot hatched by Jobs to tick you off. You need to understand that one cannot simply snap one's fingers and make a newer, faster, better computer out of thin air. Apple itself "produces" relatively little of the technological components in their computers. Their main thing is putting the parts together in a way that works and makes sense -- which unfortunately takes TIME and TESTING to do and to do right.

In fact, dude, Apple is not that "behind" in updating their computers either. Only a few months ago, the Power Mac line was revised, with the DP 1.8 being added and the price on the SP 1.6 being dropped $200. And G5s were introduced only 7 months ago, with dual 2.0s shipping for about 5 months or so.

Seriously, man, smack yourself...not Steve Jobs...

 

[invaLPsion]

Originally posted by john123
::Sigh::

For about the eleventy billionth time on this thread, this is not some mad plot hatched by Jobs to tick you off. You need to understand that one cannot simply snap one's fingers and make a newer, faster, better computer out of thin air. Apple itself "produces" relatively little of the technological components in their computers. Their main thing is putting the parts together in a way that works and makes sense -- which unfortunately takes TIME and TESTING to do and to do right.

In fact, dude, Apple is not that "behind" in updating their computers either. Only a few months ago, the Power Mac line was revised, with the DP 1.8 being added and the price on the SP 1.6 being dropped $200. And G5s were introduced only 7 months ago, with dual 2.0s shipping for about 5 months or so.

Seriously, man, smack yourself...not Steve Jobs...

Alright, that was just a moment of anger, I'm better now.

But on another note, Steve Jobs said that what ruined Apple were salespeople, and what brought Apple back were innovators. Right now, Steve Jobs is acting just like a salesperson.

 

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by invaLPsion
Right now, Steve Jobs is acting just like a salesperson.

Personally, I don't think calling Jobs a salesperson is very fair after all he's done with Apple, Pixar, iTMS, etc. these past few years - that doesn't really do him justice - but I can see where you're coming from.

 

[invaLPsion]

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Personally, I don't think calling Jobs a salesperson is very fair after all he's done with Apple, Pixar, iTMS, etc. these past few years - that doesn't really do him justice - but I can see where you're coming from.

I'll right, I'll give you half salesperson and half innovator. But it is true that he's a pretty amazing CEO overall.

 

[whookam]

Getting nervous!

I know this won't affect 99.99% of you, BUT, I have to buy a new computer before 31st March 2004 and I would dearly like it to be a new G5.

In Britain any small business or self-employed person can claim a 100% allowence on Income Tax for any computer/software/peripheral bought on or before 31st March 2004. After this it becomes 40%. It is clear that a substantial saving can be made by buying before this.

I now hear rumors of March 26th. I don't know what this is based on but that doesn't really leave much room for research and buying etc. assuming the updates come this spring at all.

I would really hate having to spend £2,500 on a DP2.0GHZ G5 when i know that something better/faster is just around the corner for the sam price. Unfortunately I can't afford not to buy new equipment (which I badly need). I know a lot of people are in the same boat and I really don't know what to do!

 

[CalfCanuck]

Re: Getting nervous!

Originally posted by whookam
In Britain any small business or self-employed person can claim a 100% allowence on Income Tax for any computer/software/peripheral bought on or before 31st March 2004. After this it becomes 40%. It is clear that a substantial saving can be made by buying before this.

I now hear rumors of March 26th. I don't know what this is based on but that doesn't really leave much room for research and buying etc. assuming the updates come this spring at all.

I would really hate having to spend £2,500 on a DP2.0GHZ G5 when i know that something better/faster is just around the corner for the sam price. Unfortunately I can't afford not to buy new equipment (which I badly need). I know a lot of people are in the same boat and I really don't know what to do!

Seems the logical thing would be to wait until the end of March to buy a computer. If they have an update, great. If not, get the current G5 and get your tax savings - think of it as a "government grant" to purchase part of your computer.

The real question is how much your tax savings will be. Of course that depends on your marginal tax that the 100% allowance offsets - if your rate is 25% or less, it might be worth waiting even if you lose some tax savings.

Also, does the drop from 100% to 40% affect the entire deduction, or only the first year's deduction? If the new regulations let you deduct the other 60% in later years, then the "savings" is much less than you make it out to be. In this case, it's only the interest on the 60% savings that would come this year, rather than next, as you might get bigger tax savings the second (and maybe third year) you owned the computer.

If this is the case, the difference might only be less than 10%, not worth buying an old. soon to be discontinued model.

 

[a17inchFuture]

Again, more models of the PB are on sale in the refurbished area of the Apple site. The present-day version of the 17 inch is present, something that was true a couple of days ago for the first time (before being sold promptly), and now for the second time a PB with the same specifications as the full priced one is being sold for a discounted price..

Hopefully, this means they getting rid of their inventory in preperation for their new release!

Say a little prayer for PB's . . . .

 

[a17inchFuture]

This refurbished 17 inch for the second time in the alst week could mean a coupel of things.

In my opinion, it seems as though they are getting rid of the present 12 and 17 inch models most specifically. Perhaps they are planning a somewhat inverted update from their last one: Maybe they will heavily update the 12 and 17 versions, and lightly touch up the 15 inch, they way they lightly touched the 12 and 17 inchers in sept. (333 mhz isnt exactly a light touch for PB's, but compared to most pb updates, and the relative lack of recognizable differences between models [i.e. they added bluetooth to the 17-inch at that time, too, however they also added it to the 15 inch during the same update], it was a little less significant. )

Anyay, evidence points to the continued resale of the 12 and 17 inch models of the PB, and hopefully that will mean new pb's sooooooooooooooooooon!

 

[numediaman]

Did everyone see this report yesterday from MacOSRumors (if this has been mentioned here already, sorry:

"Still waiting on a new 10.3.3 seed...
A final release is expected within two weeks, as the new PowerMac G5s (@ up to Dual 2.6GHz) are expected to be dependent on new machine support code in 10.3.3."

You can question the source, but I think this is very consistent with the though that Apple is fine tuning both its OS and several software lines in preparation for new G5s. Whether they give us a minor speed bump, or something as major as a jump to 3.0, is still in question. But I wouldn't count on any new G5 releases until 10.3.3 is released.

 

[invaLPsion]

Originally posted by numediaman
Did everyone see this report yesterday from MacOSRumors (if this has been mentioned here already, sorry:

"Still waiting on a new 10.3.3 seed...
A final release is expected within two weeks, as the new PowerMac G5s (@ up to Dual 2.6GHz) are expected to be dependent on new machine support code in 10.3.3."

You can question the source, but I think this is very consistent with the though that Apple is fine tuning both its OS and several software lines in preparation for new G5s. Whether they give us a minor speed bump, or something as major as a jump to 3.0, is still in question. But I wouldn't count on any new G5 releases until 10.3.3 is released.

Agreed, this will likely be next week or the week after that. At that time i'm guessing we will see new powermacs announced with 10.3.3.