How about the Multi-take Recording feature? The Arrangements feature maybe?
I've been using Logic since version 4.7 and I can assure you that Logic does NOT have these features.
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How about the Multi-take Recording feature? The Arrangements feature maybe?
I've been using Logic since version 4.7 and I can assure you that Logic does NOT have these features.
Matt
Multi-take AKA punch in recording, saving all takes. Logic does this. Check out Martin Sitter's Logic book which has good info to explain this step by step in detail.
Concerning the arrangements feature, you can do all kinds of things with form sections of a song in Logic. Read here for starters of some possibilities:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3585307�
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4327045�
Logic may not be as newbie-user friendly for some of these things, but then again the aim and focus of Logic is different from the aim and focus of Garageband.
Yes thats exactly what I'm suggesting, and also the reason why the next Logic incarnation will not be a small update.
oh and thanks for the welcome
To repeat what was said earlier by Scottlinux, Logic has had the multi-take recording feature and the arrangements "features" for quite a while.
You might want to check out some videos to find out more of what logic is capable of. DMTS Inside Logic Pro 7.1 and the Ask Video Logic Pro Series dvd have some great instruction. I think you will be surprised of how many features are hidden within the program. Btw, I do not mean this in a sarcastic way. I am sincerely sharing this with you because it has helped me with this program alot! (I also have been using Logic since version 4)
Human Onion....
Quote: LOL do you even use the program
(in response to Scottlinux)I think you would benefit from cracking open the 1,200 page manual for Logic Pro (which I find very hard to believe that you own the program in the first place). The "new" features of garageband are "old" features in logic and many other daw software for that matter.
Your statement makes as much since as a professional web designer getting upset that he just spent $1,700.00 on Adobe creative suite3 when he could have gotten iweb for $80.00 bundled with idvd, garageband, ect.!
Please enlighten us with ANY professional features in garageband '08 that can't be found in Logic 7.2............
To repeat what was said earlier by Scottlinux, Logic has had the multi-take recording feature and the arrangements "features" for quite a while.
You might want to check out some videos to find out more of what logic is capable of. DMTS Inside Logic Pro 7.1 and the Ask Video Logic Pro Series dvd have some great instruction. I think you will be surprised of how many features are hidden within the program. Btw, I do not mean this in a sarcastic way. I am sincerely sharing this with you because it has helped me with this program alot! (I also have been using Logic since version 4)
Human Onion....
Quote: LOL do you even use the program
I think you would benefit from cracking open the 1,200 page manual for Logic Pro (which I find very hard to believe that you own the program in the first place). The "new" features of garageband are "old" features in logic and many other daw software for that matter.
Your statement makes as much since as a professional web designer getting upset that he just spent $1,700.00 on Adobe creative suite3 when he could have gotten iweb for $80.00 bundled with idvd, garageband, ect.!
Please enlighten us with ANY professional features in garageband '08 that can't be found in Logic 7.2............
Look at the take management implemented in GB 08. Is it the same as Logic Pro? Also the new arrangement features are nice. The way markers select every region in that section is great also.
Do you need me to keep going? I've been using Logic since version 4
b...bu...but... there's no Magic Garageband Stage!!
/end sarcasm
Sarcasm, the lowest form of wit.
Yes. Logic has these features. The basis of taking many takes, and 'punch in' recording is a basic concept in a recording studio. All pro DAWs have this feature, and have for a long time.
In Logic Pro if you want to punch in, just make sure Audio>Punch On The Fly is enabled.
You can set the 'take' length with the Autodrop zone, which marks the beginning and end of your recording spot.
Logic automatically retains ALL audio and takes from ANY operation. It never overwrites anything. When you are done you can then simply open the Audio window and remove takes or audio files you do not need, or switch to an earlier take later.
Read up on Autodrop and the Record Toggle command in the manual.
And you can do many things with the form in Logic like the 'arrangements' feature in GB. See my above post for two examples.
Check out these forums which have good info on Logic to get you started:
http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/index.php
http://discussions.apple.com
http://logicprohelp.com/
http://logic-users.org/
There are many book and DVD sources with more on Logic if you need more help. I highly suggest the Sitter book.
Logic can do lots of stuff, but it takes awhile to find everything in there. I too, had the initial 'where is everything?!' shock when I first started using Logic.
Did anyone ever say that you couldn't do multitake recording in logic? Punch in, cycle recording etc have been part of Logic since Audio was added to it's sequencer. Implementation of certain features has been the major complaint for a large section of the pro audio community.
They have completely changed take handling and a number of other features in GB 08. GB is built on Logic. The fact that Gb 08 now handles multitake recording and other features very differently to the Logic 7.3 makes it quite obvious that we will be in for a major Logic update soon.
If you want to keep making yourself look like a moron go right ahead.
Keep posting those links because you obviously need them.
There is no such thing as Logic 7.3 (yet).
And a significant Logic update ('Logic 8') has been a hot rumor for almost a year now. Bigbluelounge forum has lots of threads on this, and the expectations. Check out those threads. This update is supposed to hopefully address a major overhaul of the program.
One big change in Garageband 08 is the use of a CAF container for loops, which could be a main cause of incompatibility with the current Logic. You can read more about that here.
Just like a typical Logic defender, you post the work arounds. The way Garageband is handling multiple takes is more like ProTools than Logic.
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From the Garageband Site:
Pick your favorite take.
After you’ve recorded all of your takes, GarageBand makes it easy to pick the best one. As you play back your multi-take region, you can switch between takes in real time. Simply select your favorite and move on.
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Now I guess you can open up the audio window every time you want to check a different take or have multiple tracks with a bunch of muted regions. Sure it can be done, but not like in Garageband. Garageband has superior and different functionality.
As for Arrangements, you sure can use markers, but those are simply visual markers.
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From the Garageband Site:
Define your arrangement.
By defining the structure of your song, you can quickly make broad changes to it later. When you create an arrangement region for any section, all the tracks below become part of it.
Edit an arrangement.
With your arrangement set, you can quickly rethink the structure of your song. Want to repeat a verse? Just copy and paste it. Want to move a chorus? Click and drag. All the tracks that belong to a section go along with it.
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If you can do this in Logic, then you must have the magical version that nobody else has or you are a beta tester of the next version. We're talking workflow here. Of course Logic doesn't say you can't have another take, but it also doesn't handle them the same as Garageband. Same with Arrangements. I can use marker alls day long, but no amount of naming and color changing is going to allow me to simply drag one and have all of the regions follow along.
Matt
I do work with form in Logic, using these 'workarounds' as you call them. I group my things together, and cut different regions, each titled at the top. I then select that region and cut/copy/paste/drag, etc. to different areas as needed. You are right, it does not magically drag around when you click and hold on the marker title, but Logic handles form very nice, especially with tempo and other formal aspects including meter changes. I like the control.
And as far as the multitake thing (seems like it is using some of Logic's cycle features), I guess it is all personal preference. I actually like the way Logic does things with multiple takes as I like more control.
It's not so much about 'workarounds' as that Logic is well, different. We are comparing iMovie to Final Cut Pro. This is a similar argument as going to the digital video subforum and complain that Final Cut Pro does not have an easy iTunes music drop window feature just like the one in iMovie. Different programs, different target audiences.
And as far as the multitake thing (seems like it is using some of Logic's cycle features), I guess it is all personal preference. I actually like the way Logic does things with multiple takes as I like more control.
It's not so much about 'workarounds' as that Logic is well, different. We are comparing iMovie to Final Cut Pro. This is a similar argument as going to the digital video subforum and complain that Final Cut Pro does not have an easy iTunes music drop window feature just like the one in iMovie. Different programs, different target audiences.
Bringing things back on track......
Fingers crossed for some kind of release on Monday 20th August. Amazon UK still stating they are releasing "Logic" on Monday.
Fingers crossed for some kind of release on Monday 20th August. Amazon UK still stating they are releasing "Logic" on Monday.
I'll argue that there are features that iPhoto and iMovie have that Aperture and Final Cut do not have - namely skimming, which is actually quite useful. So I'd be willing to bet there are a few nice things about Garageband that could definitely get bumped into Logic. I can name one actually, a usable and Apple designed interface. Currently you get to battle between two different menubars, that's sweet...
Thanks Rob. Yes a Logic release on Monday would be great. Just hope the upgrade cost is not
What about a podcast project type-that would map to imported GB3/'08 podcast projects?
And SoundTrack Pro's interface style or Visual EQ would be nice.
And SoundTrack Pro's interface style or Visual EQ would be nice.
Logic needs to support the caf format (as used by Garageband '08). Apple seems to have changed the format used by Apple Loops.
Matt-good overview of multi-take and Arrangements. They both should be improved.
I find region markers a bit too simple for my tastes.
New and interesting update here. Amazon.co.uk are now saying a few days until Logic is available. However, if you search on google for the ASIN: B000EHS6GY some of the other Amazon territories are now displaying the product as "Discontinue" by the manufacturer. Might we see something today?
Could be a good sign.
Although-we have had no screenshot leaks of a Logic 8.
Discussing "Logic 8.0" on the official Apple forum would be risky-you could be banned for discussing a unnanounced product.
Although-we have had no screenshot leaks of a Logic 8.
Discussing "Logic 8.0" on the official Apple forum would be risky-you could be banned for discussing a unnanounced product.
So, it didn't happen. Hopeful as always I guess. Products pretty much showing as discontinued in most Amazon territories and in the UK they are stating long waiting times for Logic. Something looks up to me. Again, waiting seems to be the plan.
I'm just wondering, does anyone here plan on immediately jumping on the next version of Logic when (and if) it comes?
If it is an incremental update (7.3 or 7.5), to fix the CAF issue and maybe add some improvements then I would go for it. But, if it is a major reworking (especially given some the rumours), then I would probably not move quickly on it.
Where is everyone else on this?
If it is an incremental update (7.3 or 7.5), to fix the CAF issue and maybe add some improvements then I would go for it. But, if it is a major reworking (especially given some the rumours), then I would probably not move quickly on it.
Where is everyone else on this?
I'm a happy Logic Express user, wanting to upgrade to Logic Pro at some point in time - but I'm in no rush, so the plan is to wait for Logic 8 (or whatever the next major version will be called) before I upgrade my Express license. It sure would be nice if Apple's roadmap for their Pro applications was publicly known...
- Martin
Honestly, it will depend on what the new features are. If they are everything I'm looking for (long list), then I'll be on it quick. But if it's more of what we saw with the Logic 7 release, then I'll probably be looking for a replacement. Comparatively, Logic is pretty far behind the competition in several areas. The only reasons I've stuck it out this long is that I find it pretty easy to be creative with it and I'm too lazy to learn a new DAW right now.
Matt
Matt
"Logic 8" should add:
A simple tool for improving pitch recognition abilities and disabilities. After doing a bit of training, you are able to make more advanced compositions with accurate timing and tempo.
Professional podcast authoring
A piano sampler.
In fact, Apple's reluctance to provide a public roadmap for Logic is disappointing.
A simple tool for improving pitch recognition abilities and disabilities. After doing a bit of training, you are able to make more advanced compositions with accurate timing and tempo.
Professional podcast authoring
A piano sampler.
In fact, Apple's reluctance to provide a public roadmap for Logic is disappointing.